How come girls from the countryside are more open about sex?

| February 20th, 2010

This short article (from Tianya) was written by a student from the countryside. It has no statistics, nor is it necessarily anthropological, but it is an honest testimony from personal experience, which in my opinion, is sometimes more valuable than quasi-objective statistical conclusions.

It starts out:

I, myself, am a person from the countryside。 I’m not writing this to be discriminatory, I just hope it leads to reflection, and maybe to finding the source of the problem.

Generally, everyone thinks that the countryside stands for conservativism, and so kids that come from the countryside are more simple, better behaved, but if you closely examine the current situation, you will find that it is quite the opposite. On the streets, women from the countryside are more likely to expose their bodies; rural women rely more on sex and dubious relationships to be promoted, or exchange sex for opportunities and money.   They are also more likely to prefer vicious forms of competition.

The superficial reason is, because their parents are busy with their own livelihoods, they are left at home for long periods of time, and so it is difficult for them to form positive mentalities. Also, oftentimes, the countryside is far from simplistic, in the past, in order to fight for land, to fight for access to water to flood rice fields, to fight for a modest amount of estate, even brothers would use knives on each other. Neighbors even became enemies. So saying that the countryside is simplistic might just be a bias that everyone holds!

The mid-level reason is, the process of growing up poor makes life itself competitive. If your brother or sister got more, you would naturally get less. Thus, “conflict” become the norm, (of course they think that this is just progress), prematurely, and this is conflict without any rules. This makes them always worrying about access to resources when they are adults in the workplace. Most importantly, they often do not feel guilty when they hurt others in competition.

Now for the deeply-embedded reason. Currently, society lacks a medium for social classes to fluctuate and change. The kids in the cities always use more resources, while these resources are lacking for kids in rural areas. External help is lacking, and their own abilities are lacking, so people can only use their own bodies as a resource, women use sex to get money and opportunities, and men use force to get money and opportunities.

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  1. DaN says:

    Oh~
    Someone must get retort on this, but it’s the fact from my exp.

  2. Doug says:

    My experience is completely the opposite. The girls I know from the city are pretty normal in what they know and are open about. Country girls often don’t know the very basics of sex and sexual health.

  3. Doug says:

    Additionally, the title has little to do with the contents of the article.

    • Kai says:

      LoL, I was thinking the same thing. The connection is there, but the title is definitely click-bait. ChinaHush is learning from chinaSMACK, which also uses controversial titles…though to be fair, the actual content in chinaSMACK’s posts are even more controversial than the titles. I’m not sure I like being disappointed with the content not living up to the title or finding myself even more appalled than I was expecting from the title.

    • CC says:

      Why do you think the title has nothing to do with the contents? It is a loose translation of the title of the actual post that I got the content from. The article is, I think, pretty clearly, about why girls in the countryside might rely on sex more in their lives. I think the author is also being a little sarcastic about being “open” (开放) because there are economic circumstances that make it difficult for them to be fully making a choice.

      Also, Kai, seriously – ONLY chinaSMACK has click-bait? I think that’s a general phenomenon of any website that wants people to read its content. It’s pretty presumptuous for you to say that we get our inspiration solely from chinaSMACK. Just because this post did not have pictures of scantily clad girls or testimonies of sexual encounters doesn’t mean the contents do not live up to the title. Perhaps this student’s ideas of “sex” and being “open” are different from yours, but I only see a direct connection between the title and the content. Do you really prefer everything to be incredibly predictable? I don’t think the title of something ever really fully explains the entirety of the content. For example, the book “The Grapes of Wrath,” isn’t really about angry grapes – were you disappointed about that too? There’s something to be said for creating room for interpretation.

      • Kai says:

        CC,

        Whoa, I think you’re being a little unfair there.

        I said “the connection is there” so yes, I recognize it. I’m then echoing the disappointment Doug shared, that the main text of the post didn’t live up to what we were expecting. That’s partially because the title (yes, including the original) is click-bait, and partially because we probably have dirty minds. Chinese netizens joke about click-bait titles all the time.

        Second, I never said “ONLY” chinaSMACK has click-bait, did I?

        Look, ChinaHush runs with a certain crowd of websites, chinaSMACK being one of the most notable that ChinaHush is invariably compared to. You and I both know chinaSMACK’s well-deserved reputation for salacious content and, yep, click-bait post titles. I don’t think the allusion is uncalled for.

        Now, everyone has a different definition of what is “click-bait” and what isn’t. I happen to think this post title was click-bait-ish LIKE a lot of the titles on chinaSMACK. What’s wrong with that sentiment?

        As for being presumptuous about where you get your inspiration, I’ve long been a champion of ChinaHush fulfilling market demand by providing more translations of Chinese internet content because there’s obviously plenty of stuff that chinaSMACK doesn’t cover that non-Chinese readers can benefit from. Hell, I’ve been a vocal fan and proponent for ChinaHush getting out from its self-earned shadow of chinaSMACK, by differentiating itself and translating stuff chinaSMACK doesn’t since the day I discovered it. Why? Because that would be a good thing, for those of us who browse both sites, and for Key and ChinaHush’s long-term success.

        This has nothing to do with scantily clad women, sexual encounters, predictability, or room for interpretation. People simply have subjective expectations that are occasionally unsatisfied. That’s normal. It happens. It’s not remotely a big deal. Relax.

        • CC says:

          Kai – I don’t doubt your support of ChinaHush and I’m glad you clarified the intent of your comment.

          I think the only thing I disagreed with was the line “ChinaHush is learning from chinaSMACK.” I read a lot of different blogs and while I do translate content from Chinese websites, I don’t really see chinaSMACK’s model for doing it as the same reason why I do it. I thought this post had the value of exposing some inner-psychologies toward class difference, it was not necessarily to get a lot of hits. There is a gap between news about China that is actually important to the people/healthy development of China and the news that captures attention from media/people in the West. I think the post that Key and I wrote about the plight of substitute teachers in China is a good example of this, same with my posts on Guangzhou’s step toward democracy, transparency in the Chinese government, US-China relations, etc. I think the hard part is getting people to read these stories while also presenting them in a non-sensationalist way.

          Mostly though, I just thought it would be fun to respond to every part of your comment and from seeing some of your comments on other posts, I know that you have the patience for long, extensive discussions.

          • Kai says:

            CC,

            I recognize how you may have interpreted my comment about ChinaHush learning from chinaSMACK being unfair to you personally. I didn’t mean it that way. When I think about it, though, I actually think that’s somewhat more of a comment about chinaSMACK than ChinaHush.

            Either way, I’m definitely not suggesting that the reason you personally contribute to ChinaHush is to emulate chinaSMACK’s model. As I said, my comment was more or less a throwaway comment joking about my bemused disappointment that the content was less salacious than I expected from the title. If you’ll re-read, I was mainly ribbing click-bait titles in general. I rib this particular instance as being disappointing (for no real serious reason) and I rib chinaSMACK for often appalling me with their’s, even when I thought I knew what to expect.

            Since you’re familiar with my writing, you also know I craft my titles carefully as well. While your title here may just have been a translation of the original Chinese post’s title, you and I both can reasonably suspect the original writer crafting that title as click-bait too. Both of us are familiar enough with the Chinese language internet AND the internet in general that some people will write click-bait titles. It’s a natural phenomenon that comes with the territory.

            As for the post’s content, I definitely agree with you on its significance and what it can tell us about class differences. It’s not news to me personally, but I hope no one interprets my comment above to say that I personally don’t think this post is pointless or meaningless. My comment has nothing to do with the import of the content.

            Next, chinaSMACK is definitely sensationalist, but I do think that too comes with the territory of what they’re trying to deliver, so I don’t begrudge them for it. That’s their recipe and bravo to them for being successful doing it. Blogs like ChinaHush, chinaSMACK, and ESWN do what few other English-language blogs on China can do, and that’s why I read, watch, and actively support them religiously.

            Finally, I definitely do have the patience to discuss point-by-point with people who are reasonable and intellectually honest (and too often those who aren’t, unfortunately for me). But I definitely don’t want to make an enemy out of you over a misunderstanding of a throwaway comment about click-bait titles. I’m sorry about the hasty association with chinaSMACK and how it came across to you, but I trust you’ll be understanding of how ChinaHush will inevitably be compared to chinaSMACK just as chinaSMACK is compared to ESWN, Danwei, Sinocidal, and those that came before it on the areas of overlap and similarity. It’s really not a big deal unless you let it become one, right?

            As before, I urge you guys to keep doing your thing. Cheers.

            • tobytoby says:

              what do you do for a living, kai? you always type out these long-ass essays on china blogs.

  4. ustcbbs says:

    The biggest JOKE in China this week:
    http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/funinfo/1/1838228.shtml
    『娱乐八卦』 [八卦江湖]笑抽,美报称谷歌遭受攻击源自中国两学校,炒菜学校你要火了(转载)

    This joke is that a school named Lanxiang Vocational School was reported to be involved in the cyber attacks on Google. Why is it a joke? Because Lanxiang Vocational School is known as a low level school (it is not a college even!!) which produces technical migrant workers (有技术的农民工) for repairing vehicles, working in a beauty saloon or a barber, or becoming a cook in a restaurant. Nonchinese speaking readers can refer to these websites that introduce this news.

    http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/reuters/MTFH73766_2010-02-19_02-31-22_N18216671.htm

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/economy/schools-in-china-say-they-werent-behind-hacking-84858527.html

    http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/jiaotong-lanxiang-vocational-school-google-china-hack-sources-2579394.html

    Actually, you can search Lanxiang Vocational School in Google to find more.

    Why are western medias so stupid? Please be more professional and cautious before brain-washing Chinese people. Just to cite a sentence that appears in Joe Stack’s will to end my post:

    Insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to be suddenly different!

    • Kai says:

      Come on, it’s not cool for you to hijack this post or even the comments for this post with an irrelevant story.

      • ustcbbs says:

        @Kai No, I am not cool. I admit you are right. But to say the truth, I learned the skill of hijacking from western medias. It is still so vivid to me today that the NBC inserted a political video about the Tiananmen incident on June 4 1989 when it was broadcasting the opening ceremony of 2008 Olympics Games in Beijing.

        • Kai says:

          Hey, no need to be flippant. I personally don’t agree with you copying the Western media’s more shameful proclivities but I recognize I’m unlikely to change your mind. I simply think doing this (hijacking posts/threads) only appeals to people who are already on your side. That’s preaching to the choir, and their agreement with you will be comforting but ultimately not constructive towards increasing mutual understanding and respect between average Chinese and average Westerners.

          If you have the blessing of ChinaHush, by all means, continue doing what you do. I just thought Key wouldn’t like someone coming in and randomly changing the subject of the posts on his site. In my experience, what you’re doing doesn’t help ChinaHush build audience and traffic. To people who are new to ChinaHush, they might interpret your hijacking as someone randomly defacing this website with spam, and that the website operators obviously don’t care. If the operators don’t care, why would they feel this is a place to revisit and take seriously?

          I dunno, man, I understand your agenda, but I’d reconsider your methods here. You’re basically leeching off ChinaHush’s traffic to advance your agenda, to promote your message, but have you considered that you might inadvertently harm them, harm the very website giving you a platform to advance your agenda? If they get hurt, your platform suffers too.

          • ustcbbs says:

            How do you know that my perspective only appeals to people on my side? I don’t think so. Most American people do not have sufficient time and money to travel to China, however more and more Chinese people study, work in United States or even become a permanent resident or citizen in this country. Most American people do not recognize Chinese language (though I confess the number is increasing), however even a middle school student in China has no much difficulty in reading posts on ChinaHush.

            What is the possible consequence of such cultural inbalance? The answer is that it is much easier for the US government and medias to brain-wash American people than for the Chinese government and medias to brain-wash Chinese people.

            Considering this factor, I think it is necessary to bring some facts that beyond common American people’s knowledge to readers, especially these readers often confront fabricated pictures and propaganda. I am using my words with caution. When I was an undergraduate in China, I was pretty prone to hear western voices. However, I became more careful after I saw some masterpieces of western medias, e.g. they called some Napelese policemen “Chinese soldiers” and said these “Chinese soldiers” were beating Tibetan people. And I believe quite some such scandals are produced by some Chinese with American citizenship.

            I hijack the post not for fun or defacing ChinaHush, the website I love. My behavior complies with two idioms. The first idiom is from China “兼听则明,偏听则暗”, which means one who hears different voices gets smart, and one who selectively hears only one voice gets stupid. The second idiom is from the western culture ” When in Rome, do as Romans”. As I mentioned above, the mainstream media like CNN and many others like hijacking, it should be a good idea that I do this in this country too.

            Whether the hijacking benefit/glorify or hurt/deface this website should be demonstrated by time and facts. For example, I remember one of my hijacking post reminded Key or CC to later create a post introducing the poor fate of teachers in western China. Another hijacking post of mine talked about President Who (Hu) was praised by others including Key. And you should be also able to notice from the comment below that CC liked my random stories too.

            Actually, I have tons of stories from China but I never posted or hijacked here because they are not so funny as this one. I can’t imagine your reaction if I bring those stories here.

            hehe…

            • ustcbbs says:

              @Kai But I do agree with you that hijacking is not polite. Nevertheless, I still think my behavior would benefit this website. The goal of this website is to bridge the gap between average American and Chinese. However, given that the aforementioned fact of cultural inbalance and the unremitting endeavor of western governments and medias to cover colored glasses on average American people’s eyes, it would be more effective to break the colored glasses while introducing China.

              磨刀不误砍柴功

            • Kai says:

              ustcbbs,

              How do I know your perspective only appeals to people already on your side? Consider it an educated conclusion based upon a lot of experience and observation. You’ll win a few converts, but I’m saying you’re liable to turn away a lot more. I simply suspect that you’re contributing to polarization when what (I feel) we need is less of that.

              I agree that Chinese students have more English literacy than American students have Chinese literacy. However, I don’t think that many Chinese students can functionally read the posts on ChinaHush.

              I understand the point you’re trying to make about brainwashing, that Chinese people, given their greater English fluency, are more resilient to brainwashing by their government because they can potentially access more information whereas Americans, given their lesser Chinese fluency, are more dependent upon English media and their government for their views on China. However, I think this is a huge stretch. First, you’re seriously overestimating or exaggerating the English fluency of most Chinese people to make this point. Second, a similar argument can be made that Americans have far more access to a plurality of published opinion than Chinese do given the active censorship in China.

              So, for the vast majority of Chinese, they can neither read English (and those that can, the vast majority aren’t inclined to bother unless it is absolutely necessary) nor access a lot of information and opinion that the Chinese government doesn’t want them exposed to.

              On the other hand, for the vast majority of Americans, they can’t read Chinese but they do have free access to a far wider spectrum of information and opinions concerning China, including the Confucius Institute.

              So who is more susceptible or resilient to brainwashing? Chinese with a modicum of greater English fluency (and only some of them) or Americans who can freely access and consume a larger plurality of information and opinions.

              The fact is, despite the above, it remains that the vast majority of both Chinese and Americans continue to have a gulf of misunderstanding and misconceptions between them, often mixed in with a lot of fear and the prejudices that come from that fear. This fear is naturally occurring, even without either medias’ influence, because as humans, we do interpret the world in differences.

              My point here is that your argument on brainwashing is not definitive of the Chinese-Western dynamic.

              Who is your target audience? Americans? Chinese? If you’re going after Chinese, why write in English? If you’re going after Americans, do you think “Why are western medias so stupid?” is going to result in them taking you seriously? I write similar criticisms of the Western media for such proclivities. This is one reason why I I’m fairly confident of what rhetorical tactics get people to actually consider your point and what tactics only get those already on your side to nod their heads while turning those you want to appeal to away.

              I know you don’t “intend” to deface ChinaHush. I’m saying that’s how it looked to me and how it might look to a lot of people, which might have negative consequences for ChinaHush, which you may not have anticipated. I know you’re fighting a fight, and I fully agree that hearing more voices is better than just one (as seen above).

              However, I don’t quite think the “when in Rome” line applies here. First, you’re actually on a blog and you should abide by the blog’s expectations of behavior. If ChinaHush is okay with you derailing and hijacking posts, that’s fine. I just know that most blogs and websites aren’t keen on that behavior so that’s why I pointed it out, for my own ChinaHush browsing pleasure and for Key’s continued growth and success with ChinaHush.

              Second, I know media bias is not unique to American or Western media OR people. It exists in China and amongst Chinese people here as well. So, your “Rome” is everywhere, not just America, and it is inappropriate and false to suggest that you’re only behaving as the Romans do. No, you made your own conscious decision to do what you do.

              Look, you wouldn’t like it if Americans or Westerners began actively censoring their internet to weed out information and opinions sympathetic or defensive of China and the Chinese perspective. You’d hate it if they said they were only behaving like the Chinese, that they “learned” it from the Chinese. Suggesting that you’re only doing a bad thing because you learned it from someone else is a bad argument. It’s immature and, again, it doesn’t increase mutual understanding and respect. It just makes you look petty, right?

              Again, if you have the blessing of Key and CC and ChinaHush, by all means, continue doing what you’re allowed, even encouraged to do. As a casual visitor, I just find it impolite to radically hijack a post about a rural Chinese person’s views on class differences with a criticism of the Lanxiang Google debacle. If your comment was posted in another post where there’s some more tenuous connection, it wouldn’t be an issue. I just felt it was too out of place and I was considering the ramifications of such hijacking for a website’s acquisition of loyal readers and community.

              I think if you have a lot of stories to share, you really should consider having your own platform to share them, or at least using a more appropriate platform. Start your own blog. Ask Key for tips on how to promote it. Hell, you can even ask me. If you want to tap into ChinaHush’s existing audience, then ask Key if you can become a contributor and make dedicated posts for your stories. In doing so, you’d no longer be hijacking their other posts AND you would be getting more eyeballs (not everyone reads the comments). Wouldn’t any of those options make you look better, and engender people to take you more seriously?

              I’m not saying no one takes you seriously. I’m just saying that if your goal is to reach more people, those options would help you more than hurt you and your agenda.

              • LazyCat says:

                I would have to fully agree with Kai on this. To be dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media is one thing. Yet to suggest that this is the way how western media operates in general, is a gross exaggeration. It seems to me ustcbbs has adopted some of Rubert Murdoch’s interpretation of ‘fair and balanced’. For example,
                years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives’ frequent denunciations of “liberal bias” in the media were part of “a strategy” (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: “If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is ‘work the refs.’ Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time.” So when it comes to Fox News Channel, conservatives don’t feel the need to “work the ref.” The ref is already on their side, hiding behind hollow frases like: “we report, you decide”. The implicite debasement of others is justified in their opinion, because they feel they are compensating for an arguable imbalance in previous ways of news broadcasting. Ofcourse this perspective only only appeals to people already on their side, or others that are equally ignorant. Such people are of course likely to be less interested in a neutral and factual report of the truth. Because more often than not, the truth may be very inconvenient for those desperately trying to hold on to their former positions of power, or their crappy geo-political opinions. In any case, there is (and always will be) good and bad journalism. Therefore my advice would be: concentrate on the first, and ignore the latter.

              • ustcbbs says:

                Kai, can you read Chinese? Your ID looks like a common first name of Chinese people. If you can read Chinese, do you ever access some popular Chinese forums like http://www.tianya.cn ? Chinese governments certainly want to resist the propaganda that is against the country and the government. This is common thing happening in other countries including the US. Chinese government is reported to do so more actively than other countries because of several reasons. First, the government claims different political conception from other powerful countries, which makes it to be often called communist China. So it is not strange all other countries would point the guns towards China. Second, China is developing fast with a huge population, which would theoretically consume considerable resources on this planet. For the sake of the citizens of their own countries, they are glad to point the gun towards China. Once all the guns of the current powerful countries are aiming at China and the spot light is focusing on China, it is not strange one can see more negative behaviors of this country. That you don’t see (or you don’t want to see) negative behaviors of other countries does not mean they do not exist.

                If Chinese government really don’t want news and remarks harming it to be delivered, then there will be no way to hear the protesting voices on the internet. However, it is so easy to hear such voices in Chinese forums like http://www.tianya.cn. Today, even some famous journalists of CCTV refer to this website to broadcast some shocking news. It is hard to travel to China because you are busy and not rich enough. But it is always easy to access these Chinese websites to see what is really going on there. No investigation, no talk.

                And I should also mention, hijacking is a common thing in http://www.tianya.cn . I believe the government arrange someone there as operators to control people’s words. But they are too weak to control the things, and so you can still see a lot of criticism there. And a smart way to say what you want to but the operators do not is hijacking posts. Actually, quite a few shocking news were noticed in that way. This reminds me too. Why did I hijack here? Probably because I saw too much negative news or some trivial news regarding Chinese girls Chinese sex blablabla. Since I am not an operator of the website and I want my voice delivered, I can only hijack. And this reminds me too. A good platform to bridge the cultural gap between the west and China should be operated by persons good at both Chinese culture and western culture. I am a scientist and do not have enough time to build a platform for such a goal. Although I am pretty confident that I know much about Chinese culture and history, it seems it is not a good idea to deliver my thought here. Then the easiest way is to remove Chinahush from my bookmark, for the sake of people sticking on biased perspective upon China and those notorious “Yun-Yun” (运运) and “Lun-Lun” (轮轮)

                • Kai says:

                  ustcbbs,

                  Yes, I can read Chinese.

                  No, it isn’t surprising that people who share a different political history and ideology from what the Chinese government professes would fear and find themselves opposed to the Chinese government.

                  No, neither is it surprising that some people in foreign governments use China has a scapegoat or to divert attention away from their own domestic problems. People and governments of all countries, including China, have done this since time immemorial.

                  No, the above two points does not lead to me not seeing or not wanting to see the negative behaviors of other countries. Nor does it mean I think they don’t exist. What is your basis for making such a bold accusation of me anyway?

                  You just set up and beat a straw man. This is not a good direction for this discussion.

                  China actively censors information and opinion it fears. Just because they can’t or won’t censor every last bit does not mean they don’t do it. This is not an all or nothing argument. That some information they categorically oppose survives is not just a testament to the complex reality of managing information in the modern age, it is also a testament to the sophistication of their information management policies. The Chinese government is not stupid. It has an overarching goal of controlling the sentiments of its domestic populace, but they know control does not mean absolute conformity. It is enough to maintain control, there’s no need for absolute control. When it comes to managing public perceptions, the difference between China’s government and, for example, America’s government is their relative use and dependence upon reactive censorship versus proactive propaganda or astroturfing.

                  All countries, governments, organizations, even individuals seek to manage their public image in self-interest. They can use different tools and to different degrees. That Tianya can exist, that critical or dissenting opinions can exist on Tianya, does not disprove Chinese government censorship. It does not mean the Chinese government doesn’t “really” want to stop news and information harming it from being delivered, it means you don’t know (or you’re pretending not to know) the Chinese government’s actual policy on when and under what circumstances they will exercise their power to censor.

                  Neither you or I know what that actual policy is. In fact, I suspect that policy differs between different arms and levels of the vast government bureaucracy. What we do know is that censorship does indeed happen, that certain political topics and words are actively dissuaded, censored, and/or shut down on discussion forums like Tianya, especially when they get big, when they become popular, when they get too much traffic, when it becomes threatening enough to the moderator tasked with self-censorship or to the government authority tasked with controlling and shaping public opinion. There are plenty of tools to use, and outright censorship (deleting) isn’t the only one. They can lock posts to prevent further contribution or push the post down past the first few popularly trafficked pages to lessen attention to it. 谁混过中国网络都知道的。Whoever has spent time on the Chinese internet all know this. Government censorship and the threat of censorship are very real and widely known amongst Chinese netizens themselves, enough for 和谐 to become an internet meme and widespread netizen joke. I’d rather you not pretend otherwise to advance a poor argument like “well, if China really wanted to…”

                  I will respect you so long as you respect me to use honest arguments and discuss honestly.

                  Hijacking does indeed happen on Tianya. That’s not surprising at all. It’s the second largest discussion forum in China. If we’re talking about hijacking in general (simply drastically changing the topic), I wouldn’t be surprised that their moderator staff isn’t large enough or even motivated enough to make sure every user-generated reply to every user-generated thread is on-topic. They have more important things to do, like make sure nothing gets out of hand to piss off the government censors. As I said above, website operators in China are responsible for self-censorship. They risk losing their ICP license otherwise. Making sure hijacking in general doesn’t happen is likely a lower priority than making sure no one is using Tianya to successfully disseminate and engender domestic sentiment to a level threatening to the government.

                  If we’re talking about hijacking to present political opinion and information against the Chinese government, this does indeed happen on Tianya too, as well as other well-known Chinese discussion forums. That’s when the wumaodang and fenqing accuse those posters of being foreign agents intentionally trying to destabilize China from within.

                  But that sort of hijacking also goes both ways. When someone hijacks a post to advance information or an opinion that is sympathetic to, defensive of, or even sponsored by the government, netizens also come out to call that person a wumaodang or fenqing. You can see a lot of criticism on Tianya, but you can also see a lot of astroturfing and censorship as well.

                  I know you why you hijack. I know it is because you want your voice delivered. I don’t think you can only hijack and I don’t think that is a justification for you to hijack. Hijacking is usually disrespectful to the original poster, to the original content posted, AND to those who want to discuss the original content in the space designed for discussion of the original content.

                  Heh, I guess us having this conversation here would violate that as well.

                  The reason I previously said hijacking negatively impacts your credibility (how seriously others will take you) and makes you look petty is precisely because hijacking suggests that what you want to say by itself is not interesting enough for you to successfully disseminate it on its own platform, on your own blog, or on a separate blog post, so you’re petty enough to try to force it down people’s throats by interrupting and broadcasting it in other people’s discussions.

                  That’s spam.

                  You’re basically crashing a party. You’re like the Korean guy who rode his bicycle into the midst of a bunch of Chinese Olympic supporters in order to protest and make a statement, but generally annoying the shit out of the Chinese Olympic fans. You’re like the Free Tibet supporter who tried to strip the Olympic torch out of Jing Jing’s hand during the Olympic torch relay. Both you and them feel you have a justified reason to do what you do/did, and some people will inevitably agree with you (people already on your side), but for most people, especially those who are moderates, those who are in the middle and know that neither side is completely right or wrong, it usually makes you look bad. That doesn’t help your voice or your agenda, does it?

                  Again, have you considered starting your own blog? Have you considered approaching Key or CC to become a contributor on ChinaHush so you can post your own posts? Claiming you are a scientist and that you do not have time is an excuse. It tells us that you have the time and scruples to hijack for your agenda and your cause, but you don’t have the time or scruples to promote your agenda and cause properly. That’s a sign of laziness, of someone who is content with their knee-jerk reactions and does not care enough for their own cause to put in real, honest, and consistent effort.

                  Starting a blog these days or asking Key to join the team does not take a lot of effort, even for a scientist. If you’re worried you don’t have time to build an audience and just want to hijack Key’s, that’s fine, as long as Key allows it. It still won’t change the fact that I, and maybe other people, will not look kindly upon you for doing so. That’s just a fact of life and if you can accept that risk and consequence to you and your agenda, then that’s fine for you too.

                  I just hope you’re actually aware of it, since I personally prefer that people who defend the Chinese against Western media bias do so in an appropriate, intellectually honest, and constructive manner. I personally feel hijacking doesn’t meet that criteria, so when you do it, you’re blemishing a cause I support. I do think there are some annoying biases and proclivities in Western media, but I don’t think your actions and words are engendering the right people to listen and consider the actual issue.

                  You threatening to not visit ChinaHush again is childish. You’re throwing a temper tantrum: “I’m being criticized by some people for doing something they don’t approve of at this playground! Fine, I won’t come to this playground anymore!”

                  This tells us that you have no genuine support of ChinaHush and that you were merely exploiting it to hijack its audience to broadcast your agenda’s messages. That sucks and that’s totally not cool at all.

    • CC says:

      ustcbbs – I really enjoy all the things you post here at ChinaHush and I view you as a type of underground blogger here. Please continue posting your random stories. I think they only contribute to the character of ChinaHush and I think they are always interesting and well-presented.

  5. LOP says:

    “Insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to be suddenly different!”

    So it’s like fighting corruption in China then?

  6. ustcbbs says:

    笑抽,美报称谷歌遭受攻击源自中国两学校,炒菜学校你要火了(转载) 某只爬过来爬过去

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  7. Doug says:

    “Insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to be suddenly different!”

    It’s like making post after post, being paid 5 mao for each ^^

  8. ustcbbs says:

    hehe, 5-mao party is present. The corruption of Chinese government is also present. But they are just other jokes. What do you think of the joke I am talking about?

    • ustcbbs says:

      And the 5-mao and corruption jokes are not NEW at all, which can’t make me laugh nowadays. But the joke I am talking about really made me laugh for half an hour.

  9. Doug says:

    I’m glad you could find humor somewhere in your unhappy life.

    • FF says:

      Doug,I’m glad you could not find humor anywhere and continue your unhappy life

    • doug basher says:

      doug is bored, he has money, he goes to small farming villiiages a lot to offer money opportunities to countryside girls, many dougs start doing the same thing all over china’s countryside, and finally all the dougs, caused the countryside girls to be openly about sex. dougs dont do it in the city because they are afraid of police and triads.

  10. Ivan Peng says:

    好吧,我承认我是标题党。
    Okay, I’ve the admit that I’m a tittle party.
    🙁

  11. doug basher says:

    the real reason why the title of this article happens….country girls follow the trends of the city girls and what they see on advertisements and on tv…they will follow exactly or go above and beyond to set the pace to match city girls. when i was in japan, in a small town, those people had more fashion than people in roppongi in tokyo, just another example to follow up on the title of this story in a different way

  12. kimboslice says:

    Is the author of this a woman or a man? I can’t really tell.

  13. Red Kiwi says:

    It is too bad that this site has so many worthless posts amongst some very good and informative ones. Is this whoring out really needed?

  14. b-real says:

    I totally agree. Its kind of the same way in the US with out competition. And the parents closely watch their daughters, because most of time the isolation is what make women horny and go after any wiener that walks thru the door even if its a cousin.

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