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		<title>By: JTZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What do you guys think?&quot;

I thinke he killed him self because he was ashamed of China. He was proud to be Chinese people and left USA, then he learned the truth about China and could not live knowing this.</description>
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<p>I thinke he killed him self because he was ashamed of China. He was proud to be Chinese people and left USA, then he learned the truth about China and could not live knowing this.</p>
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		<title>By: tt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof title is not easy to earn/recognize by your long time research, hard work, no. of published papers in China, it&#039;s the d**n politics. Whatever you do must involves politics, that&#039;s why those profs promotes green dam, internet blocking, GFW etc, they gets the title, and gets the government protection becoming rich asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof title is not easy to earn/recognize by your long time research, hard work, no. of published papers in China, it&#8217;s the d**n politics. Whatever you do must involves politics, that&#8217;s why those profs promotes green dam, internet blocking, GFW etc, they gets the title, and gets the government protection becoming rich asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments. I know we are definitely lucky to be in this situation.  I wouldn;t have liked to be in the same position as the guy in the article. Heaven knows how we would have found decent employment here otherwise! 
It is a case of when in Rome but this mentality doesn&#039;t make it easier to relinquish your dreams - even the less ambitious ones.  I just think Chinese parents in my in-laws position are seriously misinformed about sending their children abroad to study.  Maybe it&#039;s to do with the prestige and reputation of more developed countries or because it is more expensive than domestic schooling that appeals more. His greatest acheivement from being abroad is undoubtedly mastering the English language but my fiance doesn;t really need to speak English as most foreign companies have chinese colleagues who do the banquets and guanxi and could outsource tasks requiring English to an interpreter for small monthly wage. As his mother/ boss is not open to these different ideas, my fiance would have been better studying management at a Chinese university as he would have graduated 4 years ago and would have been further along his career path, would have more contacts, wouldn;t have such a heightened sense of social responsibility, he wouldn&#039;t resent not having a weekend and the fact that when we have kids he won;t have much free time to spend with them and would be used to the authorative fillial piety system.  No matter how much we ressent doing things this way, we can;t, however, regret his time in the UK because he wouldn;t have met me otherwise. You&#039;ve just to try and put your disappointment behind you and hope that things can get better! I can&#039;t see this happening anytime soon. As key said it maybe will be in my Children&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. I know we are definitely lucky to be in this situation.  I wouldn;t have liked to be in the same position as the guy in the article. Heaven knows how we would have found decent employment here otherwise!<br />
It is a case of when in Rome but this mentality doesn&#8217;t make it easier to relinquish your dreams &#8211; even the less ambitious ones.  I just think Chinese parents in my in-laws position are seriously misinformed about sending their children abroad to study.  Maybe it&#8217;s to do with the prestige and reputation of more developed countries or because it is more expensive than domestic schooling that appeals more. His greatest acheivement from being abroad is undoubtedly mastering the English language but my fiance doesn;t really need to speak English as most foreign companies have chinese colleagues who do the banquets and guanxi and could outsource tasks requiring English to an interpreter for small monthly wage. As his mother/ boss is not open to these different ideas, my fiance would have been better studying management at a Chinese university as he would have graduated 4 years ago and would have been further along his career path, would have more contacts, wouldn;t have such a heightened sense of social responsibility, he wouldn&#8217;t resent not having a weekend and the fact that when we have kids he won;t have much free time to spend with them and would be used to the authorative fillial piety system.  No matter how much we ressent doing things this way, we can;t, however, regret his time in the UK because he wouldn;t have met me otherwise. You&#8217;ve just to try and put your disappointment behind you and hope that things can get better! I can&#8217;t see this happening anytime soon. As key said it maybe will be in my Children&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add for those who don&#039;t understand this aspect:  when someone becomes an academic - devotes their life to doing well at something, learning it well - you expect that this ideal will at least be respected when it comes to the system of the schools.  You expect that your qualifications and achievement will be regarded positively.  

If you get to the school and find that you need to be someone&#039;s son-in-law or connection, that your work doesn&#039;t matter, that people with far less qualification are put in all positions of responsibility, then not only do you get nowhere but the whole system is corrupt.  This corruption varies from country to country, but the politics in academia are vicious and cruel.  Highly intelligent people use their intelligence to do the most negative things to get a position or recognition and to demote others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add for those who don&#8217;t understand this aspect:  when someone becomes an academic &#8211; devotes their life to doing well at something, learning it well &#8211; you expect that this ideal will at least be respected when it comes to the system of the schools.  You expect that your qualifications and achievement will be regarded positively.  </p>
<p>If you get to the school and find that you need to be someone&#8217;s son-in-law or connection, that your work doesn&#8217;t matter, that people with far less qualification are put in all positions of responsibility, then not only do you get nowhere but the whole system is corrupt.  This corruption varies from country to country, but the politics in academia are vicious and cruel.  Highly intelligent people use their intelligence to do the most negative things to get a position or recognition and to demote others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m married to a successful academic in the US.  It is true that academic politics are the worst you can find:  just like this man said in his letter.

I have a friend teaching in China.  I think the politics are even worse there due to all the reasons we can think of if we know much about China.  This is a sad story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m married to a successful academic in the US.  It is true that academic politics are the worst you can find:  just like this man said in his letter.</p>
<p>I have a friend teaching in China.  I think the politics are even worse there due to all the reasons we can think of if we know much about China.  This is a sad story.</p>
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		<title>By: Expat Guide &#8211; (NingboLife) &#187; Today&#8217;s Links: Virtual farming, luxury Buicks, and more counter-intuitive news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat Guide &#8211; (NingboLife) &#187; Today&#8217;s Links: Virtual farming, luxury Buicks, and more counter-intuitive news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Death of an Overseas Returnee [China Hush] Dr. Tu Xuxin, a man who had recently returned to China from overseas study to pursue a career as a university professor, committed suicide on September 17th. The information concerning this case, including Dr. Tu&#8217;s six-page suicide note, was released earlier today to the public. Investigators speculate as to what instigated his anxiety leading up to his suicide, as there were no obvious signs preceding his death. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Death of an Overseas Returnee [China Hush] Dr. Tu Xuxin, a man who had recently returned to China from overseas study to pursue a career as a university professor, committed suicide on September 17th. The information concerning this case, including Dr. Tu&#8217;s six-page suicide note, was released earlier today to the public. Investigators speculate as to what instigated his anxiety leading up to his suicide, as there were no obvious signs preceding his death. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This only further proves my theory! 

Key, by the way, you&#039;re doing a wonderful job on this website! I&#039;ve been reading this blog from just when you started. I really like how you are actively involved with posting comments now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This only further proves my theory! </p>
<p>Key, by the way, you&#8217;re doing a wonderful job on this website! I&#8217;ve been reading this blog from just when you started. I really like how you are actively involved with posting comments now.</p>
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		<title>By: ustcbbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ustcbbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may need more knowledge about mental diseases like depression. Suicide is just the outcome. Severe depression is the direct drive. However, Dr. Tu was not depressed in the US. It&#039;s hard to believe a depression patient can fulfill his PhD study and postdoctoral research. Scientific research requires focus of attention on ongoing work, but depressive mood causes intrusive thought which usually severely hampers people&#039;s normal life.

A suicidal incident is not surprising. Everyday, thousands of people suicide in the world. But Dr. Tu&#039;s death is not a simple case. It reflects something unfair that is still undisclosed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may need more knowledge about mental diseases like depression. Suicide is just the outcome. Severe depression is the direct drive. However, Dr. Tu was not depressed in the US. It&#8217;s hard to believe a depression patient can fulfill his PhD study and postdoctoral research. Scientific research requires focus of attention on ongoing work, but depressive mood causes intrusive thought which usually severely hampers people&#8217;s normal life.</p>
<p>A suicidal incident is not surprising. Everyday, thousands of people suicide in the world. But Dr. Tu&#8217;s death is not a simple case. It reflects something unfair that is still undisclosed.</p>
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		<title>By: perspectivehere</title>
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		<dc:creator>perspectivehere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tu Xuxin suicide is tragic and his family deserves sympathy. It is sad that he did not have the spiritual strength and inner resources to persevere through what were the tough years of getting his academic career started.

The reported excerpt from his suicide note,

“At this moment, I think my original decision was made too rashly and I have never expected what had happened afterwards. I would like to thank friends for the advice before everything. The reality of the China’s academic circles: cruel, faithless and heartless, although I overlooked all of these because of my self-righteousness.” 

calls to mind the adage &quot;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&quot;

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre&#039;s_Law

&quot;On 20 December 1973, the Wall Street Journal quoted Sayre as: &quot;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&quot; Political scientist Herbert Kaufman, a colleague and coauthor of Sayre, has attested to Fred R. Shapiro, editor of The Yale Book of Quotations, that Sayre usually stated his claim as &quot;The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low&quot;, and that Sayre originated the quip by the early 1950s.

Many other claimants attach to the thought behind Sayre&#039;s Law. The bitterness of academic life was memorably noted by Max Weber:

Academic careers are then sorely beset by chance. When a young scientist or scholar comes to seek advice about habilitation the responsibility which one assumes in advising him in heavy indeed. If he is a Jew, one naturally tells him: lasciate ogni speranza [Canto III, line 9 of Dante’s Inferno, sometimes translated as &quot;Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.&quot;]. But the others, too, must be asked with the utmost seriousness: &quot;Do you think that, year after year, you will be able to stand to see one mediocrity after another promoted over you, and still not become embittered and dejected?&quot; Of course, the answer is always: &quot;Naturally, I live only for my calling.&quot; But only in a very few cases have I found them able to undergo it without suffering spiritual damage. These things have to be said about the external conditions of the academic career.
—Max Weber, &quot;Science as a Vocation&quot;, translated by Edward Shils

According to Arthur S. Link, Woodrow Wilson frequently complained about the personalized nature of academic politics, asserting that the &quot;intensity&quot; of academic squabbles was a function of the &quot;triviality&quot; of the issue at hand. Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt was quoted to a similar effect: &quot;Academic politics is much more vicious than real politics. We think it&#039;s because the stakes are so small.&quot; In his 1979 book Peter&#039;s People and Their Marvelous Ideas, Laurence J. Peter stated &quot;Peter&#039;s Theory of Entrepreneurial Aggressiveness in Higher Education&quot; as: &quot;Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.&quot; 

Another proverbial form is: &quot;Academic politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small.&quot; This observation is routinely attributed to former Harvard professor Henry Kissinger. Justin Kaplan, editor of Bartlett&#039;s Familiar Quotations, asked Henry Kissinger whether he had stated, &quot;The reason academic politics are so bitter is that so little is at stake.&quot; According to him, Kissinger, &quot;foxy as ever, said he didn&#039;t recall saying it but that it &#039;sounded&#039; like him. In other words, he didn&#039;t say it but wouldn&#039;t mind if we thought he did.&quot; In fact, in a 1997 speech at the Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashland University, Kissinger said: &quot;I&#039;m going to say one thing about academic politics to which Mr. [Peter W.] Schramm referred. I formulated the rule that the intensity of academic politics and the bitterness of it is in inverse proportion to the importance of the subject their [sic.] discussing. And I promise you at Harvard, they are passionately intense and the subjects are extremely unimportant.&quot;

Variations on the same thought have also been attributed to scientist-author C.P. Snow, professor-politician Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and politician Jesse Unruh.&quot;

******************* ******* ******** ********** ********* ***************
Although this should not discourage anyone from seeking an academic career, one should be prepared to face the reality of academic politics. There are many seekers and only few positions and resources available, and talent does not rise naturally to the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tu Xuxin suicide is tragic and his family deserves sympathy. It is sad that he did not have the spiritual strength and inner resources to persevere through what were the tough years of getting his academic career started.</p>
<p>The reported excerpt from his suicide note,</p>
<p>“At this moment, I think my original decision was made too rashly and I have never expected what had happened afterwards. I would like to thank friends for the advice before everything. The reality of the China’s academic circles: cruel, faithless and heartless, although I overlooked all of these because of my self-righteousness.” </p>
<p>calls to mind the adage &#8220;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&#8221;</p>
<p>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre</a>&#8217;s_Law</p>
<p>&#8220;On 20 December 1973, the Wall Street Journal quoted Sayre as: &#8220;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&#8221; Political scientist Herbert Kaufman, a colleague and coauthor of Sayre, has attested to Fred R. Shapiro, editor of The Yale Book of Quotations, that Sayre usually stated his claim as &#8220;The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low&#8221;, and that Sayre originated the quip by the early 1950s.</p>
<p>Many other claimants attach to the thought behind Sayre&#8217;s Law. The bitterness of academic life was memorably noted by Max Weber:</p>
<p>Academic careers are then sorely beset by chance. When a young scientist or scholar comes to seek advice about habilitation the responsibility which one assumes in advising him in heavy indeed. If he is a Jew, one naturally tells him: lasciate ogni speranza [Canto III, line 9 of Dante’s Inferno, sometimes translated as "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."]. But the others, too, must be asked with the utmost seriousness: &#8220;Do you think that, year after year, you will be able to stand to see one mediocrity after another promoted over you, and still not become embittered and dejected?&#8221; Of course, the answer is always: &#8220;Naturally, I live only for my calling.&#8221; But only in a very few cases have I found them able to undergo it without suffering spiritual damage. These things have to be said about the external conditions of the academic career.<br />
—Max Weber, &#8220;Science as a Vocation&#8221;, translated by Edward Shils</p>
<p>According to Arthur S. Link, Woodrow Wilson frequently complained about the personalized nature of academic politics, asserting that the &#8220;intensity&#8221; of academic squabbles was a function of the &#8220;triviality&#8221; of the issue at hand. Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt was quoted to a similar effect: &#8220;Academic politics is much more vicious than real politics. We think it&#8217;s because the stakes are so small.&#8221; In his 1979 book Peter&#8217;s People and Their Marvelous Ideas, Laurence J. Peter stated &#8220;Peter&#8217;s Theory of Entrepreneurial Aggressiveness in Higher Education&#8221; as: &#8220;Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.&#8221; </p>
<p>Another proverbial form is: &#8220;Academic politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small.&#8221; This observation is routinely attributed to former Harvard professor Henry Kissinger. Justin Kaplan, editor of Bartlett&#8217;s Familiar Quotations, asked Henry Kissinger whether he had stated, &#8220;The reason academic politics are so bitter is that so little is at stake.&#8221; According to him, Kissinger, &#8220;foxy as ever, said he didn&#8217;t recall saying it but that it &#8217;sounded&#8217; like him. In other words, he didn&#8217;t say it but wouldn&#8217;t mind if we thought he did.&#8221; In fact, in a 1997 speech at the Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashland University, Kissinger said: &#8220;I&#8217;m going to say one thing about academic politics to which Mr. [Peter W.] Schramm referred. I formulated the rule that the intensity of academic politics and the bitterness of it is in inverse proportion to the importance of the subject their [sic.] discussing. And I promise you at Harvard, they are passionately intense and the subjects are extremely unimportant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Variations on the same thought have also been attributed to scientist-author C.P. Snow, professor-politician Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and politician Jesse Unruh.&#8221;</p>
<p>******************* ******* ******** ********** ********* ***************<br />
Although this should not discourage anyone from seeking an academic career, one should be prepared to face the reality of academic politics. There are many seekers and only few positions and resources available, and talent does not rise naturally to the top.</p>
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		<title>By: ustcbbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ustcbbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jews are the best businessmen in the world. They never have the problem as Anon&#039;s fiance met. When in Rome, do as Romans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jews are the best businessmen in the world. They never have the problem as Anon&#8217;s fiance met. When in Rome, do as Romans.</p>
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		<title>By: Key</title>
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		<dc:creator>Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha, good imagination Andrew, although no website or BBS has mentioned about him falls in love with some student... good one though.
There are websites talked about his family (his wife and his wife&#039;s family) is to blame, they constantly called him a loser, and  &quot;3 have nos.&quot;
1. Have no house
2. No cars
3. No income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha, good imagination Andrew, although no website or BBS has mentioned about him falls in love with some student&#8230; good one though.<br />
There are websites talked about his family (his wife and his wife&#8217;s family) is to blame, they constantly called him a loser, and  &#8220;3 have nos.&#8221;<br />
1. Have no house<br />
2. No cars<br />
3. No income.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would a someone as bright as him return to China to work for 2000RMB? So the school sucks and treated him poorly, why doesn&#039;t he just leave? If he did any research before coming to China, he should know people in the school system are all liars. I&#039;ve read many reports of foreigners going to China to teach English only to find nothing written on their contracts were true. Maybe its more than the superficial evidence given in the reports:

Here&#039;s what I think. He&#039;s a bright, loyal family guy. He returns to China to be a professor. He&#039;s not doing it for the money, he wants to make China a better place. He starts teaching and it was not what he expected. He also did not expect to fall in love with a student.  The female student wants him to leave his wife and family. He doesn&#039;t know what to do and cannot talk to anyone about his situation. He has ashamed and disgraced his family. He goes home daily to see the wife he no longer loves. Depression occurs. He takes drugs which only make him more sad. The vicious cycles repeat over and over again until something deep within his intellectual head SNAPS. 

What do you guys think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a someone as bright as him return to China to work for 2000RMB? So the school sucks and treated him poorly, why doesn&#8217;t he just leave? If he did any research before coming to China, he should know people in the school system are all liars. I&#8217;ve read many reports of foreigners going to China to teach English only to find nothing written on their contracts were true. Maybe its more than the superficial evidence given in the reports:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I think. He&#8217;s a bright, loyal family guy. He returns to China to be a professor. He&#8217;s not doing it for the money, he wants to make China a better place. He starts teaching and it was not what he expected. He also did not expect to fall in love with a student.  The female student wants him to leave his wife and family. He doesn&#8217;t know what to do and cannot talk to anyone about his situation. He has ashamed and disgraced his family. He goes home daily to see the wife he no longer loves. Depression occurs. He takes drugs which only make him more sad. The vicious cycles repeat over and over again until something deep within his intellectual head SNAPS. </p>
<p>What do you guys think?</p>
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		<title>By: YU888</title>
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		<dc:creator>YU888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,  while i agree that the process seems wasteful, sadly this similar process is done everywhere in the world but often just not as out in the open.  Your husband probably has not operated at the management level in the US or &quot;west&quot; that he gets to view now in CHina, so it is likely some of these frustrations stem from his idealism of how things are done in the &quot;west&quot; when in fact, sadly, &quot;guanxi&quot;, &quot;benefits&quot;, and even &quot;bribes&quot; happen almost everywhere.

But as the other poster pointed out, the position he holds now will teach him more about how things need to get done now, and will allow him to be inthe position to make changes when the time comes.  Making immediate changes is noble and idealist, but probaby not to teh best interest of teh company and its employees as he (and you I assume)  wishes they would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,  while i agree that the process seems wasteful, sadly this similar process is done everywhere in the world but often just not as out in the open.  Your husband probably has not operated at the management level in the US or &#8220;west&#8221; that he gets to view now in CHina, so it is likely some of these frustrations stem from his idealism of how things are done in the &#8220;west&#8221; when in fact, sadly, &#8220;guanxi&#8221;, &#8220;benefits&#8221;, and even &#8220;bribes&#8221; happen almost everywhere.</p>
<p>But as the other poster pointed out, the position he holds now will teach him more about how things need to get done now, and will allow him to be inthe position to make changes when the time comes.  Making immediate changes is noble and idealist, but probaby not to teh best interest of teh company and its employees as he (and you I assume)  wishes they would be.</p>
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		<title>By: PH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right about Dr. Tu suffering from depression.  However, your claim of China-bashing is flawed because this isn&#039;t the first time the same stunt has been pulled before.  Graduates from universities like Stanford had been in similar situations.  It is just that they didn&#039;t commit suicide, so nobody paid attention, until Dr. Tu killed himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about Dr. Tu suffering from depression.  However, your claim of China-bashing is flawed because this isn&#8217;t the first time the same stunt has been pulled before.  Graduates from universities like Stanford had been in similar situations.  It is just that they didn&#8217;t commit suicide, so nobody paid attention, until Dr. Tu killed himself.</p>
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		<title>By: asdfd</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdfd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before everyone continues making generalizations and stereotypes , let me repeat, cases like these are outliers usually due to severe psychological illness. This guy had a bright future regardless of how ZJU treated him. You don&#039;t just leave that and his family behind so suddenly. 

It&#039;s sad even a story like this brings out the china bashers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before everyone continues making generalizations and stereotypes , let me repeat, cases like these are outliers usually due to severe psychological illness. This guy had a bright future regardless of how ZJU treated him. You don&#8217;t just leave that and his family behind so suddenly. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad even a story like this brings out the china bashers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eun Jung Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eun Jung Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man left behind an unemployed wife and a young daughter. His actions were cowardly and craven, and others will have to bear the burden. The death of a close love one for a child is very, very tragic, and my heart breaks for his family. A Northwestern University education is good indeed, and he certainly could have parlayed that into something more had he been more patient and resource; the onus was on him to explore options further afield. 

The vast majority of people in Zhejiang who make 3000 RMB a month, no matter if even in Wenzhou, live decent, respectable and dignified lives.  

As far as studying abroad giving one &quot;perspective&quot;, I fail to see how that helped this young man. One might surmise that, far from being made independent by Northwestern, he was coddled there, as they provide a cushy environment. And the world of U.S. academia is every bit as cut-throat and merciless as that of China, with the benefits (for the non-tenured) being decidedly lower. 

So put away the violins, this man deserves no dirge played at wake. Sorry if that sounds cold, but if you want to commiserate, do so with those he left behind, not the departed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man left behind an unemployed wife and a young daughter. His actions were cowardly and craven, and others will have to bear the burden. The death of a close love one for a child is very, very tragic, and my heart breaks for his family. A Northwestern University education is good indeed, and he certainly could have parlayed that into something more had he been more patient and resource; the onus was on him to explore options further afield. </p>
<p>The vast majority of people in Zhejiang who make 3000 RMB a month, no matter if even in Wenzhou, live decent, respectable and dignified lives.  </p>
<p>As far as studying abroad giving one &#8220;perspective&#8221;, I fail to see how that helped this young man. One might surmise that, far from being made independent by Northwestern, he was coddled there, as they provide a cushy environment. And the world of U.S. academia is every bit as cut-throat and merciless as that of China, with the benefits (for the non-tenured) being decidedly lower. </p>
<p>So put away the violins, this man deserves no dirge played at wake. Sorry if that sounds cold, but if you want to commiserate, do so with those he left behind, not the departed.</p>
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		<title>By: Key</title>
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		<dc:creator>Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, yes it is true you might have a hard time to adopt the way Chinese people do business once you were educated in the west. But I think your fiance is at a good position.  Giving hongbao, having expensive dinners, going to KTV... are indeed very wasteful but that is how Chinese people do business, at least right now... It is not going to go away just yet so one must do these things if you want to have a successful business in China.  Now this does not mean China&#039;s business culture/ corruption will never change, in order for things to change, it takes time and it takes new generation of people like you and your fiancé and your children and your children’s children...  To make a different is not just one person or one day, even thought today you still need to follow the ridicule rules; it is then just another thing you need to do to make a difference.  It was essential that you and your fiancé studied abroad, it gives your guys more perspective, or else he would have just been doing the same things and not have the thinking and rationality he is having today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, yes it is true you might have a hard time to adopt the way Chinese people do business once you were educated in the west. But I think your fiance is at a good position.  Giving hongbao, having expensive dinners, going to KTV&#8230; are indeed very wasteful but that is how Chinese people do business, at least right now&#8230; It is not going to go away just yet so one must do these things if you want to have a successful business in China.  Now this does not mean China&#8217;s business culture/ corruption will never change, in order for things to change, it takes time and it takes new generation of people like you and your fiancé and your children and your children’s children&#8230;  To make a different is not just one person or one day, even thought today you still need to follow the ridicule rules; it is then just another thing you need to do to make a difference.  It was essential that you and your fiancé studied abroad, it gives your guys more perspective, or else he would have just been doing the same things and not have the thinking and rationality he is having today.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to come back to China after studying in the West. My fiance is Chinese we moved to China in February in 2008 when he had completed his Masters degree. He had been in the UK for 7 years. He works for his mum&#039;s company and finds it hard to adapt to Chinese life. He always wanted to work in the company and use the skills he learned in the UK to develop the business. It turns out, he hates doing business Chinese way and finds it hard to adapt to this way of doing things.  Any ideas contrary to his mother&#039;s are criticised until he gives up hope of ever being able to implement them.  For example, he has a guilty conscience making contact&#039;s, maintaining customer loyalty and compensating clients with by expensive dining and hongbao. He feels this is so wasteful especially as the market is getting smaller and smaller. He would rather invest the money, get that business on the stock market and improve the service and also conditions for the workers - he feels sad for the people under him who work 7 days a week on production line around 1000 per month.  When money is blown on baijiu and wild pangolin soup.  He does not understand why he had to go abroad and learn new ideas gain a new way of thinking, rationality when he would never be allowed to make a difference! 
What do some parents think when they send their kids abroad? i have no idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to come back to China after studying in the West. My fiance is Chinese we moved to China in February in 2008 when he had completed his Masters degree. He had been in the UK for 7 years. He works for his mum&#8217;s company and finds it hard to adapt to Chinese life. He always wanted to work in the company and use the skills he learned in the UK to develop the business. It turns out, he hates doing business Chinese way and finds it hard to adapt to this way of doing things.  Any ideas contrary to his mother&#8217;s are criticised until he gives up hope of ever being able to implement them.  For example, he has a guilty conscience making contact&#8217;s, maintaining customer loyalty and compensating clients with by expensive dining and hongbao. He feels this is so wasteful especially as the market is getting smaller and smaller. He would rather invest the money, get that business on the stock market and improve the service and also conditions for the workers &#8211; he feels sad for the people under him who work 7 days a week on production line around 1000 per month.  When money is blown on baijiu and wild pangolin soup.  He does not understand why he had to go abroad and learn new ideas gain a new way of thinking, rationality when he would never be allowed to make a difference!<br />
What do some parents think when they send their kids abroad? i have no idea!</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goes to show that education is NOT the key!

 China also has the highest rate of suicide among women. 

 The modern life is not fulfilling for most. It is just empty action after empty action. What is the goal? To be &#039;better&#039; (whatever that means) or have more things than your neighbor or friends? No. Life is about having a real foundation, a real life compass. An important thing is to be content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goes to show that education is NOT the key!</p>
<p> China also has the highest rate of suicide among women. </p>
<p> The modern life is not fulfilling for most. It is just empty action after empty action. What is the goal? To be &#8216;better&#8217; (whatever that means) or have more things than your neighbor or friends? No. Life is about having a real foundation, a real life compass. An important thing is to be content.</p>
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		<title>By: Key</title>
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		<dc:creator>Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right PH, I have been meaning to write a post for the past week, and finally got around to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right PH, I have been meaning to write a post for the past week, and finally got around to it.</p>
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