Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China

[QQ] October 14, 2009, the 30th annual awards ceremony of the W. Eugene Smith Memorial Fund took place at the Asia Society in New York City. Lu Guang (卢广) from People’s Republic of China won the $30,000 W. Eugene Smith Grant in Humanistic Photography for his documentary project “Pollution in China.”


1. “At the junction of Ningxia province and Inner Mongolia province, I saw a tall chimney puffing out golden smoke covering the blue sky, large tracts of the grassland have become industrial waste dumps; unbearable foul smell made people want to cough; Surging industrial sewage flowed into the Yellow River…”Lu Guang (卢广), freelancer photographer, started as an amateur photographer in 1980. He was a factory worker, later started his own photo studio and advertising agency. August of 1993 he returned to post-graduate studies at the Central Arts and Design Academy in Beijing (now is the Academy of Arts and Design, Tsinghua University). During graduate school, he studied, traveled all over the country and carved out a career, became the “dark horse” of the photographer circle in Beijing. Skilled at social documentary photography, his insightful, creative and artistic work often focused on “social phenomena and people living at the bottom of society”, attracted the attentions of the national photography circle and the media. Many of his award winning works focused on social issues like, “gold rush in the west”, “drug girl”, “small coal pit”, “HIV village”, “the Grand Canal”, “development of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway” and so on.

– Lu Guang



2. Chemical waste from Jiangsu Taixing Chemical Industrial District (江苏泰兴化工园区) dumped on top of the Yangtze River bank. May 15, 2009



3. Fan Jai Zhuang in Anyang City, Henan province, (河南安阳市范家庄) there is only one wall separating this village from the steelmaking furnaces. The villagers live in this heavily polluted environment where the village is under the iron rain every day. March 24, 2008



4. Industrial sewage of Zhejiang Xiaoshan Industrial District (浙江萧山化工园区) eventually flowed into Qiantang River. April 24, 2009



5. Henan Anyang iron and steel plant’s (河南安阳钢铁厂) sewage flowed into Anyang River. March 25, 2008



6. Guiyu, Guangdong province, (广东省贵屿镇) rivers and reservoirs have been contaminated, the villager is washing in a seriously polluted pond. November 25, 2005



7. Shizuishan Industrial district in Ningxia province (宁夏石嘴山湖滨工业园区), the tall chimneys spitted out smoke and dust. Residents took preventive measure for the falling dust from the sky when going outside. April 22, 2006



8. In the Yellow Sea coastline, countless sewage pipes buried in the beach and even extending into the deep sea. April 28, 2008



9. In Ma’anshan, Anhui province (安徽马鞍山), along the Yangtze River there are many small-scaled Iron selection factories and plastic processing plants. Large amounts of sewage discharged into the Yangtze River June 18, 2009



10. In Inner Mongolia there were 2 “black dragons” from the Lasengmiao Power Plant (内蒙古拉僧庙发电厂) covering the nearby villages. July 26, 2005



11. Jiangsu province Changshu City Fluorine Chemical industry land sewage treatment plant (江苏省常熟市氟化学工业园污水处理厂) was responsible for collection and processing of the industrial sewage. However they did not, the sewage pipe was extended 1500 meters under the Yangtze River and releasing the sewage there. 2009 June 11



12. Soil by Yangtze River, was polluted by Anhui Province Ma’anshan Chemical Industrial District (安徽省马鞍山化工园区). June 26, 2009



13. Large amount of the industrial wastewater flowed to Yellow River from Inner Mongolia Lasengmiao Industrial District (内蒙古拉僧庙工业园区) every day. July 26, 2005



14. A Large amount of the chemical wastewater discharged into Yangtze River from Zhenjiang Titanium mill (镇江市钛粉厂) every day. Less than 1,000 meters away downstream is where the water department of Danyang City gets its water from. June 10, 2009



15. In Haimen city, Jiangsu province Chemical Industrial District sewage treatment Plant (江苏省海门市化工园区污水处理厂) discharged wastewater into Yangtze River. June 5, 2009



16. Hebei Province Shexian Tianjin Iron and steel plant (河北省涉县天津钢铁厂) is a heavily polluting company. Company scale is still growing, seriously affecting the lives of local residents. March 18, 2008



17. Longmen town in Hanchen city, Shaanxi Province (陕西省韩城市龙门镇) has large-scaled industrial development. Environment is very seriously polluted there. April 8, 2008



18. There are over 100 chemical plants in Jiangsu province coastal industry district. (江苏滨海头罾沿海化工园区) Some of them discharge wastewater into the ocean; some heavily contaminated sewage is stored in 5 “Sewage Temporary Pools”. During the 2 high tides in every month, the sewage then gets discharged into the ocean with the tides. June 20, 2008



19. Jiangxi Province Hu Ko County Chemical Industry district (江西省胡口县化工园区) is by the Yangtze River. Chemical factory landfill the Yangtze River bank to expand the scale of the factory without authorization.



20. Anhui Province Cihu Chemical Industry District (安徽省慈湖化工园区) built a underground pipe to discharge wastewater into the Yangtze River. The wastewater sometimes is black, gray, dark red, or yellow, wastewater from different chemical factories has different colors. June 18, 2009



21. Shanxi Province is the most polluted areas of China. It is also the province with the highest rate of birth defects. This loving farmer couple adopted 17 disabled children. April 15, 2009

“In Some areas of China people’s lives were threatened because of the environmental pollution. Residents suffering from all kinds of obscured diseases, the cancer villages, increase of deformed babies, these were the results of sacrificing environment and blindly seeking economical gain.”

– Lu Guang



22. Elder shepherd by the Yellow River cannot stand the smell. April 23, 2006



23. 15-year-old boy from Tianshui, Gansu Province (甘肃天水), dropped out of the school after 2nd grade, followed his parents to Heilonggui (黑龙贵) Industrial District. He earns 16 yuan a day. April 8, 2005



24. Inner Mongolia province Heilonggui (黑龙贵) Industrial District, the couple who worked at the Plaster Kiln and just got home. March 22, 2007



25. Villagers from Kang village in Linfen City, Shanxi Province (山西省临汾市下康村) due to long-term consumption of the polluted water contaminated by industrial waste, there were 50 people who have cancer and cerebral thrombosis. 64-year-old Wang Baosheng got ill since 2003, he has fester all over his body so he cannot go to bed and lying face down on the edge of the bed each day. July 10, 2005



26. Breathing in large amount of dust into the lungs, people gets sick after working there for 1-2 years. Most of these migrant workers come from area of poverty. April 10, 2005



27. Zhangqiao village by the Hong River in Wugang City, Henan Province (河南省舞钢市洪河边的张桥村), a 45-year-old woman Sun Xiaojun (孙晓军) could not move her feet and hands since 4 years ago. The numerous hospital treatments were not effective. April 7, 2009



28. Zhaozhuang village by the Hong River in Wugang City, Henan province (河南省舞钢市洪河边的赵庄村), 66-year-old Zhao Bingkun suffering from esophageal cancer since 2004, after the second surgery, treatment cost already have reached over 200,000 yuan. His condition is in late stage, he is having fever everyday, waiting for death. April 7, 2009



29. Zhaozhuang village by the Hong River in Wugang City, Henan province (洪河边的河南省西平县张于庄村), Gao Wanshun’s (高万顺) wife died of cancer. Now he lives in poverty. April 3, 2009



30. Linfen City in Shanxi province (山西临汾市) is seriously polluted area. Farmers after working in the cotton fields for 2 hours are filled with coal ashes. September 24 2007



31. Salt factory worker in Lianyungang, Jiangsu province (江苏连云港) said angrily, “when the wind blowing towards our side, the foul smell from the chemical factories is unbearable. There is even more poison gas at night.” July 19, 2008



32. People form Fanjiazhuang (范家庄) are ready to submit a complain filled with their fingerprints, to seek compensation for pollution damages. March 19, 2008



33. In Shanxi Province there are a lot of charitable nursing homes, to help disabled infants abandoned by their parents. April 14, 2009



34. Liujiawan village by the Hong River in Wugang City, Henan province (河南省舞钢市洪河边的刘家湾村), 13 year old Yang Xiao in November 2008 was ill with obscure disease.  She was saved by the donation of the villagers. When the grandmother saw the old village chief came to visit his granddaughter, she kneeled on the ground holding granddaughter’s hand. April 19, 2009



35. The oldest is 9, not going to school. The youngest is less than 2 years old. They lived in severely polluted area. They hands and faces were always dirty. April 10, 2005



36. Mazhuang village by the Hong River in Wugang City, Henan province, (河南省舞钢市洪河边的马庄村) 58-year-old Ma Haipeng (马海朋) was suffering from stomach cancer since 2006 and could not work in the field. He must take medicine every day, otherwise it is too painful. April 6, 2009



37. Every year, a lot of deficiency babies in Shanxi Province were abandoned. Kong Zhenlan (孔贞兰) in Qi town (祁县) who was making a living by recycling trash adopted 25 abandoned children. April 14, 2009



38. Xuanwei (宣威) in Yunnan province is a cancer village. Every year there are more than 20 people die of cancer. 11-year-old student Xu Li (徐丽) is suffering from bone cancer. May 8, 2007



39. In Shexian Village, Hebei Province, (河北省涉县固新村) the existing cancer patients are more than 50 people and more than 20 cancer patients die each year. March 18, 2008


40.  Zhangyuzhuan village by the Hong River in Xiping county, Henan province, (河南省西平县洪河边的张于庄村) 22-year-old Zhu Xiaoyan (朱小燕) had a tumor in her stomach in 2007. She died after number of hospital treatments on July 2008. 4-year-old girl with her grandfather came to mother’s tomb. April 2009 2


original source: Fengniao

Followup: Interview with Lu Guang, the photographer of “Pollution in China”

  1. Why are we embracing stupid with such passion?

    All these new ‘greenies with a cause’ what will be your cause next year..? Get a grip – everyone’s a greeny now its become trendy.. people are like sheep…


    England, the US, Europe, Australia, Japan all have one thing in common.. they have mostly got their act together in respect to pollution control and human rights, unlike china.

    Has anyone here asked why???? Because they took responsibility and cleaned up their act! Consumers consumed then, as they do now. and in fact it was consumers, who also happen to VOTE who drove them to change.

    China MUST clean up her act and take responsibility, and yes, we should encourage it. However, as long as communism exists there, the process will be slow.

    I am sick of all the new age, greed is bad, communism is good set… how many of you actually live in communist states???? If you do, and you enjoy it, please stop pushing your sadistic affront to freedom on others.. your worse than the Mormons. If you live in a democratic society, careful, you may get what you wish for and there’ll be no one to save you. Maybe thats what you need, feeble minds do have trouble with the concept if independence.

    Do you all think we are technologically frozen in time?

    In the ’70s there was the oil crisis… most thought the world oil supplies would run dry by the turn of the century, who thought that technology would advance such that, not only did we find more oil through better detection, but we consumed less not by lessening our reliance on it, but by improving efficiencies. All those alarmists then didnt have the forethought to consider that we are an evolving species, every improving… My Alfa will get 1000 kms to a tank! and it still goes fast… that wasnt possible 20 years ago. Imagine what will be possible in 20 years time!

    In 1920, Hispano Suiza produced a 13 litre, 12 cylinder TWO SEATER!!! it was lucky to achieve 40 litres per 100kms – actually it used more! we have moved on from those days.

    Today, my 2 litre 4 cylinder produces more power and bairly uses 5.5 litres on the highway. Human advancements.. Not government intervention… is how we will survive and sustain ourselves in the future.

    A noteworthy point here – Government intervention had nothing to do with these advances.. .it was CAPITALISM… the need to survive..

    We will continue to make advances. Guys we are only 100 years into industrialization. in 100 years time we will look back on today in the same way we look to 100 years ago… we are, to people from 100 years in the future, primitive.. we can continue to consume, we can sustain ourselves, there will always be advances as there is money to be made in it.

    The worst thing that can happen is to have governments get involved.. or worse still, latte sipping, lental and soybean loving new age greenies with a cause getting in the way.

    The more you idiots that advocate carbon reduction tariffs, cap and trade taxes, and carbon offsets, the more you play into the hands of countries like India and china who know damn well that Co2 is not driving climate change.. the more you add to the problems that these photos highlight.

    By punishing the US, Australia and other rich nations, that not only apply clean technologies to industry, but are developing these technologies further, you are forcing industry to move to countries that DO NOT use these technologies.

    Why do you think china is one of the worst polluters in the world? a few reasons:
    1. A huge population
    2. They do not employ clean technologies (co2 is not pollution, however particulate matter is.)
    3. they are cheaper than the states, europe or Australia…

    so whats our solution? we charge a tax on carbon, to fight a problem that doesnt exist, which forces industry to move offshore to china where they effectively pullute even more!

    Lets make it attractive for industry to come back, they will burn fossil fuel regardless of where they do it, so lets encourage them to do it in countries that can offer technologies that minimize the impact, rather than in countries that do nothing.

    Have you noticed the skylines in wealthy cities lately, the air is clean, no smog.. can you say the same thing for china, bangkok??? and others? no.

    It’s amazing, all the hype about global warming, blaming mans co2, governments forcing the world to slash carbon emissions, scientists and companies scrambling to chase the subsidies and grants being thrown at them…. all to reduce an invisible, odourless gas essential to life.. all the while, we spew out particulate matter, toxins into the atmosphere, smog, we spill oil in the ocean, pour chemicals into rivers, sewerage into our oceans.. we cut our rain forrest down.. All of this is forgotten.. all of this is what IS killing our planet.

    The idiot environmentalist greenies in california have legislated that all fuel must contain 10% ethanol, which is made by fermenting corn…. There isnt enough farmland in California to produce the required amount to meet supply, so crops are popping up in africa, taking up farm land that used to produce food for the poor.. but who cares about those developing nations, our carbon footprint is much more important.. the process of conversion to ethanol requires energy, which comes from fossil fuels.. the fermentation process its self emits co2… just like wine production, which is taxed in california for that very reason…

    so, its terrific that ethanol additive fuel emits less carbon, but if yo utake into account the production of it, it robs third world nations of food crops, and it produces 30% more carbon emissions for corn variants, 57% for wood – do I need to go on?

    Hybrid cars – yes they make you feel good dont they, bugger all exhaust emissions… Except that we exploit the people of the congo to mine the core metals required for the batteries. the manufacturing process to make the car has a carbon footprint that makes a hummer look green.. in fact, hybrids are dirtier as far as carbon goes than a hummer on speed! And that doesnt take into account the fact that you cannot dispose of the batteries without poisoning the earth…

    Fluorescent light globes, yeah they use less power, the greenies lobbied for them to replace incandescent globes, now we pay $10 for a globe that performs worse than a 50c incandescent version and councils are banning their disposal because they are hazardous to the environment but also deadly to humans!

    If there was ever an example of monkeys running the coup, this is a prime one.

    Environmentalists are to the environment as atom bombs are to japan.

    Will sense and reason ever again prevail???

    Environmentalist have done more to bugger our planet up than anyone else in history put together. Please… I beg you, go back to your lattes and shut the hell up. The planet cannot wait!

    1. Thank you. Hallalujah!!
      Can more people read the above piece by David Hewison, and if they still do not believe that is actually true; read it again? And have it played back to them while they sleep?

      That is exactly what I have been telling everyone who is so ‘environmentally’ engaged. You shoud see their faces when I call Prius-drivers bad for our environment.

      1. Bullshit. Who do you think consume most of the Chinese production? Chinese people?
        Europe and USA “got their act together” as globalization allowed to transfer the environment and social problems of unwanted industries to the developing world.

        1. Actually it was greed causing it. Many Americans are angry at loss of manufacturing jobs exported to increase profits, so CEO’s can get extreme salaries while US workers lose jobs US government loses taxes

          1. I agree Sern,

            I Cant stand the fact that all this work goes to china and away from us.. But it is an unfortunate fact of life.

            The upside is that it is bringing China out of poverty. Which is good for its people.

            Most environmentalists would disagree… They would rather see a population cull..

            Eugenics is alive and well.

            Im yet to see a a greenie that would accept being exterminated in the name of the planet though.. They just want the little people to be erased…

        2. I’ll speak slowly for you Etrusco so you might understand.

          If it was consumerism then the USA would look the same as china ……

          and – if the USA had a communist government, it would look just the same.

          The people are not empowered.. most industry is government owned.. But those facts don’t fit your prejudice.. so i’m wasting my time here.

          Maybe next time have something useful to say, and if you make statements, try this.. back them up with reason.

          This is hard… probably outside your level of competence.

    2. The pictures are wonderful!

      The problem, in my view, is not so much who’s green and who’s not, but rather the media hype on the matter. Research is not something reporters do well anymore. I read an article that said the Chinese government is allocating $350 billion to clean up their environment. There was no fanfare over it.

      It would be good to see the Indian government take on the smog and sewage problems in Delhi and Mumbai. May be they are.

      Here’s the sequence as I see it: someone notices a problem, figures out how to monetize that problem, enlists a few big names, gets press releases out and hounds the media for coverage. The next move is to write, phone, hound in general, politicians. Everybody knows that a politician will react only to media pressure. They don’t do adequate research either.

      Now the problem has an audience. The audience puts pressure on their elected offficals and voila! we have a big issue. It snowballs from there. Nutty politicians create laws so that the initial problem created by a few is paid for by many.

      Global warming, Greenpeace, PETA, etc, all began with those who saw a way to make money out of a problem. They’re still making money and we’re still arguing over who’s right. Yes, marvelous inventions come out of it sometimes. Most times, “We the Sheeple,” just pay more taxes, have less liberty and feel more disgruntled.

      China has no problem with this…their officials do what the old men at the top tell them to do.

      1. I would add one more ingredient to your sequence..

        Instill fear, and report outrageous alarmism.

        1. Yes, of course. That’s one of the components of a successful media campaign….there must be controversy. In order to have controversy, there must be something to fear.

          Bet you didn’t think you’d be stirring up a pot this big, did you?

          1. no i didnt!! lol…

            oh well, debate is good… and its interesting to see others opinions.

  2. One more example thats worth noting that highlights our age of stupid.. New growth trees, or young, baby trees are known to be many times more efficient in removing Co2 from the atmosphere than old growth forests.

    So what do you think we are doing? cutting down old growth forests and replacing them with plantations. Each time you buy your carbon credits which make you feel ok about driving your SUV, the carbon credit company (assuming they do actually follow through as many dont) will cut an old tree down and plant a little treeling.

    Remember the timber industry, isnt that what they used to do when they cut down trees to sell to you so that you can build your house, they’d replace the tree…. with a new one. How is it that they are evil planet murderers, but if the environmentalist, who is making a profit from your carbon offsets, cuts down old growth for new baby trees, he is saving the planet?

    Oh, and we cant clear around our houses any more, in the name of saving that lizards habitat, we now have to put up with undergrowth on our doorsteps which left untouched, can catch fire, which in turn spews more co2 that you can ever imagine!!! and takes our house with it! humans really are an annoyance for those elites are they.

    All examples of bold self serving actions that do nothing for the planet, but serve the individuals pushing this mantra in ways you will never imagine. They are making billions at your expense and you dont even notice.

    ANyway, im off to cut down some trees in the name of environmentalism. 🙂

    1. Ok, we all get it. You are a very misinformed, yet highly opinionated reactionary fremarketeer who believes in the redeeming power of everimproving technological innovation to solve any and all problems caused by human greed and overexploitation of the environment. But must you also be so longwinded and off topic?

      1. Call me as many names as you like, it only weakens your credibility. YOu tell me im misinformed?

        Misinformed about what? Enlighten me.

        1. about how the world works and every other ” idea unique to you” .if you think people going green it the wrong idea and the governments fix this problem all by them self’s your greatly misinformed. i would try and enlighten you but your dumb ass would take for ever. so instead live in your own cancer infested pool that we call your inner monologue

          1. YOu would try if you could.

            Your posts of full of nothing. Why do you waist your time?

    2. Because they’re communist? Holy crap.

      Take a look at the ‘Made in China,’ products you have. The ‘Rich Nations’ you speak of are enablers and indirect supporters of the China you see in these photos.

      Capitalism is inherently hierarchical and NOT domestically contained in the ‘Rich Nations,’ rather, in this exploitative global economy it comes at the cost you see in these photos.

      1. Yeah of course I have products that are made in china.. They’re mostly crap, but such is life.

        By your logic…

        The gun shop owner that sold the gun that happened to be used to murder someone, gets life in goal.

        Of course we should all take this seriously, and yes everyone from the corporations to the manufactures to the consumers are responsible..

        But as we step out of our fantasy bus… Let me ask you some simple questions:

        1. How is it possible that China offers the globe it’s services so inexpensively?
        2. How is it possible for china to be able to do this without fear of reprisal from its people?
        3. If it’s consumerism and nasty western corporations are responsible and, as you say, NOT the Chinese Communist Government, then why don’t we see this in other non communist / dictatorial countries?

        If you are so desperate to escape the western world and it’s evils, move to china or similar… If you are so pig headed, or thick that you can’t see what the western world has achieved, especially for humanity, then your a lost cause with with nothing much more than Co2 between your ears.

        What is it with the left that they are so righteous, so morally superior, yet are the ones responsible for this mess!

        So lets cut the feel good rhetoric and look at the facts..

        China has been violating human rights for years, long before it embraced the capitalist system.

        Capitalism is a financial system, not a form of government. Any system can be used for good or evil… In Communist hands, with no checks and balances it can do immense damage.

        Any of you that think China is an innocent victim of the west, you’re not only stupid but unbelievably ignorant. Here’s a taste of China’s real colours:

        Or are the authors of this article are as ‘misinformed’ as I am?

        Or what about this Gem…

        If only you made the effort to pull your heads out of your asses, you might wake up! I wont hold my breath.

        1. China definitely violate human rights. It is far from innocent. That is why it has so many problems. But isn’t that is what we want? Isn’t that is why we outsource there? If China care about its people healthy life, their rights and its precious environment, it would not be beneficial to us or anyone else who want to outsource to China because the price will not be cheap.

          It will be interesting to see what will happen in the next 50 -100 years, I’m sure China will become much more expensive and we will be looking for other cheaper countries for outsoucing.

        2. I read these posts of yours with sincere regret. Your niavity of government intervention is quite unbelievable! The chinese deregulation or ‘disregulation’ is powered by western commercialism, and is driven by corporate greed.
          Everyone who shares your blinkered view of globalisation should look at the dissimilarity of China’s Industrial Revolution in comparison to the Industrial revolutions in the UK, Germany, the US, and other developed states. Our industrial revolutions were driven by localised companies, generally living in very close proximaty to the factories that they owned and managed. This meant that without ‘cleaning up their acts’ they endangered their own famililies and there own environments, they were also accountable to the people around them, so there was no faceless ‘10,000 miles’ management.
          It is mindblowingly clear that so long as the IR of China is fuelled by remote multinational companies it is extremely difficult to impose restrictions on the polluters. It is also interesting to view the sheer size of industrial expansion in such a vast country. It is likely that an environmental culture change of such epic proportion would take decades to implement, and billions to fund. How is this to be funded when a huge amount of the wealth is exported along with the goods? Power distance is a strong factor in Eastern development, most Chinese would probably expect that this ‘dark age’ is a consequence of their new regime. The questions that should be asked by the Chinese is how in the name of Buddha did they get conned into capitalism?
          By the way, I don’t drink Latte’s I work for a very well known Global aerospace company, and I have studied business, leadership, and globalisation. I simply believe in localism, social humanity, and a distribution of global wealth, we all should benefit from globalisation, we should not be party to corporate genocide….

          1. Whether a factory is owned bvy offshore companies or not, they still effect the the local populations in exactly the same way.

            Do you guys think before you post???

            THe circumstances are exactly the same…

            Local company screws workers over… workers will eventually hit back
            Local factory owned by offshore corporates, workers will still hit back!

            But unless they have the power they cannot.

          2. I just re- read yoru post and I’m actually inclined to agree with some of what you said. It will take decades.

            Even so, they must evolve gradually to ensure they transition without too much pain both internally but also for the rest of us.

    3. your stupid. Your god damn retarded, and you write long ass posts in the hopes that nobody will read far enough to notice how stupid you are.

      I won’t even argue back, because that would turn into an argument with a fat ass wall. You just keep thinking your right, and the rest of us will just turn away

      1. i’m sure you wont.. i can already see your bristling intellect was challenged enough with that comment.

  3. David,
    where are you getting your facts?
    You seem to have no concept about the marked increase in co2 and the environments ability to absorb and convert co2. The research about climate change isn’t all smoke and mirrors as you appear to believe. I’m no hippie or green freak but there are obvious inaccuracies in your statements as new York, philadelphia, Los Angeles, and other thriving metropolitan areas still have that lovely brown haze of pollution around them. Perhaps you haven’t seen it. You type a long rather moronic view of the world and push your freemarket and capitalism wagon on through a series of compelling images showing that china needs to work at cleaning up. Capitalism is a double edged sword that absolutely demands responsibilty at all levels, the us economy and multiple industry failures are proof that irresponsible people cannot do what is needed. Outsourcing the American way to everyone else to save a buck has painted America into a corner , there’s more to the story and one is aware of that. I refuse to believe that socialism will fix the world but capitalism needs some improving as well.
    Technological advances that you tout were also because the government issued standards to make things cleaner and more efficient,not the freemarket system.

    1. Scott I agree with you to an extent, as with all systems, it must have its safety nets.

      As far as Co2 goes, well, I am in the clean coal industry.. I work for a company that has developed a new way to process coal so that its emissions are near to zero.

      We, along with the government and the scientists that have assisted is all know very well that climate change is not caused by Man’s Co2 emmisions. However we also know that there are $$$$$ in it.

      So, do you want a long drawn out debate as to whether we are or not? I’m game… You can start with just one reference to evidence, which can and has been repeated by independent parties, proving Human Co2 Emission’s are driving our climate.

      The governments around the world have spent 70 Billion so far looking for it and to date have failed… So I doubt you’ll be able to.

      Personally I want a cleaner world, I also want a fairer world, less disease and suffering.. Eradicating C02 will not achieve that, It will cripple our ability to deal with these issues in the future… making rich nations poor and less able to adapt is pointless.

      1. David,
        This far I´ve liked what you´ve written, although I was a bit sceptic when I started to. You have made very interesting points that have made me think things twice. Actually I agree with quite a few points. But as a sceptic towards almost everything I hear and read I really need to make some questions.

        If the climate change is not caused by Man´s Co2 emissions why are you developing coal processing tecniques so that the emissions would be near zero? If emisions are aimed to be near zero it means there emission now. Right..? It seem a bit paradox for me… And as far as I know Co2 does cause climate change. Prove me wrong. Is there any site I could get that information? Any site not run by some big corporation perhaps?

        And another thing. Who have funded those researches? The company you work for? The USA? European Union? UN? Have the researches been impartial?

        1. Hi Robinhood,

          Thanks for your reply and your compliments – I understand that my posts probably did ramble on too much and certainly some of them are more ‘rants’ than reasoned debate.

          I get so angry when i read posts here an in other blogs from people that seemingly follow a blind faith without any intelligent thought process – only to abuse the very system that is responsible for liberating most of the planet. If they want to be treated like a pet dog, let them – but to impose it on free thinking, individual people that have earned themselves a life independent of others, makes me sick.

          You asked me a couple of questions, so here goes…

          I should tell you, I am a consultant that helps businesses access government grants and I also consult to companies looking to gain access to government at high levels so that they can influence government policy to benefit their business. At the moment I am working with a clean coal technology company.

          So you asked why, if Co2 is not the main driver of climate change, why would we develop clean coal technology? The answer is very simple, and its the same reason our competitors are working so hard on this and other ‘green’ research and development. The government is throwing so much money at at project that incorporates anything to do with CLimate Change.

          There is a HUGE amount of money to be made from it.

          The government, in Australia anyway, and its the same everywhere else, works on the value of public opinion. Their currency, if you like, is votes.

          In Australia, it is compulsory to vote, which means the government puts considerable weight on public sentiment.

          Green lobby groups are loud – very loud, they know how to get their message out there. Left wing ideals are popular with the masses (not that green issues belong to the left). In our case, the green political parties have joined forces with the labor party so together this has catapulted labor to power. That would be ok in most cases, in our past both our left and right parties have been pretty balanced on most things. They support business because businesses employ people and drive the economy which has resulted in the most prosperous period of our history. There will always be individuals that break the rules and take advantage of the weak, so we have decent safety nets designed to protect those people. Our unions have also helped to balance things here.

          Historically, you get all these opposing groups yelling as loud as they can, the end result is policy that lands somewhere in the middle, or centre left / centre right.

          30 years ago the UK had immense problems with coal miners going on strike, strangling britain’s power supplies. I lived there, they rationed power such that sometimes, we only had power for 30% of the week… they allocated days where certain areas were ‘switched off”. The unions were militant and wouldn’t budge.

          Margaret Thatcher (Love her or hate her) decided that a diversion might help. Based on an obscure science week article written by a scientist who was predicting the next ice age thanks to Co2 emissions, she used that to lessen the public sentiment towards these coal miners and as such pressure them to surrender and go back to work. Its worth noting that the scientist continued his research and has since withdrawn his statements regarding emissions and climate change.

          This issue has however survived. Thanks to a couple of major turning points, some of which were:

          a) Manns Hockey Stick Graph – this is the basis on which the IPCC has lobbied its agenda. Given this research has since been proven to be incorrect – so incorrect in fact that Mann himself has become a laughing stock amongst his peers, even the IPCC has removed all references to it in their latest summary.

          b) the IPCC was formed as a lobby group designed to compile all evidence supporting, Ill repeat that.. SUPPORTING mans input to climate change. They were not formed to compile knowledge on the climate and what drives it (Whatever that might be) but to compile ONLY evidence that supports the theory that man is to blame.

          All of this is documented… and in fact if you go the IPCC web site and read a little, you will quickly see what their role really is.

          and c) Al gores movie, The Inconvenient Truth where he makes wild claims about 20 foot seal level changes, refers to a huge graph ‘proving’ that co2 drives temperatures.

          That film was made in 2005. IN 2001 it was accepted that in fact, temperatures drive Co2. NOT the other way round. THis was common knowledge in 2005 and yet, he chose to reverse the facts to support his argument.

          He also stated that the sea levels would rise by 20 feet and submerge florida, Malaboo and many other places. Yet, during the making of that film, he purchased a $4 million dollar beach front property, in an area he described as ‘most at risk in the US to be under water with the next decade.”

          Surely, if true, imminent property drowning would substantially devalue such properties and make them very bad investments… Gore, giving his success would not be so stupid. Either he is stupid, or he was lying in his film.

          Of course, research has since shown that in fact there is no sea level rise outside of normal variations.

          However, for whatever reason, the film made this issue hot around the world and governments are now cashing in on it by taking ACTION ensuring that they remain in power. This is a subject that could take pages of discussion, so ill leave that for another day… back to the question:

          Most in our government on both sides of politics are acutely aware that the science says that Co2 is not the problem. However it is perceived to be the problem. SO they are funding research projects that are centred around cleaning up Co2. The sad thing about this is that we are destroying our economies of this, which is destroying our ability to be able to adapt to the real climate change that is happening.. it will happen anyway, regardless of what action we take.. we can only adapt. We also need to put some funds into researching what is actually driving it, that will certainly help towards our ability to understand what adaption options there might be.

          Yet still, in 100 years we will be more polluted than ever before simply because we are now totally ignoring the things that do actually kill our planet.

          You might be interested to read some of Dr Richard Lindzen’s work. He is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences and MIT. He is also considered amongst his peers as the worlds leading scholar of Climatology. He has recently completed research that actually proves beyond doubt that in fact it is not the greenhouse effect that is driving our climate – that by definition absolves man and Co2. Strangely this research that has been peer reviewed and cross checked has not been made public by both the media or the public.

          His web site, with references to all his work is:

          another good reference site is:


          In Australia, we are expected to accept what we are told, there has been no debate. However, there has been a due diligence completed that talks about what science currently knows and not what some want it to know. YOu can find that document here – its fairly technical and boring, but worth reading:

          I’ll leave it there.. I’m trying to work out how to set up a server at home (mostly for my media player), if you want more information, I can give you access to a whole heap of information regarding this subject.. this may take a while though – the ftp server isn’t up yet.

          Science is the art of forming theories and measuring those theories against observations. If observations agree with theory we then include that in our knowledge base. If we find that observational data disagrees with theory, we scrap the theory.

          In the case of this subject, supporters literally attempt to erase known science so that they can make their theories reality.

          What is the truth? That should be the underlying reason behind any question you ask. To be able to seek the truth, whether it agrees with your beliefs is the key to everything. It’s what separates those that make a positive difference to humanity to those that only make things worse for us all.

          For examples of this, read as much as you can on AIDS and DDT. Those two examples killed many millions of people that need not have died but for bad policy driven by certain interest groups whose relationship with the truth, and the science was non existent.

          Now to your final question – for some reason it is accepted that big oil has funded skeptics such that we are drowning out those that are pushing Carbon reduction.

          Well, so far the US Government has spent $US70 Billion on research looking for proof that man’s emissions are the drivers to climate change. 20 years later and we are still working on theories and models, but no evidence.

          By contrast, oil has so far funded $250 million.

          Al Gore is paid $US100,000 each time he speaks about the subject. He owns one of the largest Carbon Offset companies in the world.. so he lobbies to alter regulation that supports Co2 offsets and directly profits from it. He is the chairman of the law firm that writes the bills that go to congress. He spreads fear which drives government to make laws that he profits from directly.

          Our leader, Kevin Rudd sees this as an opportunity to take total power.. as does other world leaders…

          The Carbon Credit market is worth hundreds of billions of dollars, the banks support this because they take brokerage fees from every carbon transaction. This issue is one of the single largest money spinners ever seen. Here’s some references that will give you more information:


          When you start looking, you will see..

          There are plenty of brain dead people that have total faith in mans Co2 sins but cannot point to a single piece of evidence to support their stance. In fact, like religion, they work on blind faith with little regard to what we actually know. They cannot get past their own opinions and do not have the ability to change their mind on the basis of new emerging evidence.

          There is no consensus and even of there were, it doesn’t matter, science is about what we observe, not what we believe.

          1. One more thing – you mentioned that you are skeptical of everything.. I think that is great! assuming you don’t let it rule your life, it is a very healthy quality to have..

            Look at the stuff i’ve provided, study both sides of the argument and come to your OWN Conclusions based on the evidence at hand.

            1. Being over sceptical would probably be awful… you couldn´t trust anyone. :/

              But anyway, if there are things you don´t have any personal knowledge you´d be easily lead to believe things that you absorb to be part of your own “knowledge”. Not good. And thats what most of people do. Like some people reading these texts!

              HEY PEOPLE!!! Check the facts, really! Some people are great to make speeches or write great articles. Their aim is to have influence on your feelings. And you all know that! If you like what you receive you might not even doubt the message. And thats something you really shouldn´t do.

              Ever heard about brainwashing?
              (Maybe I´m trying to brainwash you?! 😉 It´s up to you to make your own conclusion!)

              David´s texts really make a lot of sense. If you don´t believe him, surprise yourself by going to check some fact whether he is writing fact or fiction. But don´t get me wrong, I´m not David´s puppet who tries to get you all convinced hes right. I´ve been checking his facts and that´s something I will be doing in the future no matter what he wrote! Or you other guys…

              Challenge both the writers of these articles AND YOURSELVES!!!! You could possibly even learn something.

              1. cheers Robinhood.. 4 years ago I believed in it all. There was a time that I was an Al Gore Fan and hoped he’d win the election in the states..

                I cant rememebr what exactly it was that made me dig deaper into this, but the more I dug, the more I realised i’d just got sucked in…. before then id never checked the facts like i do now….

                Its called argument by authority.. “The world is roasting because Obama says so.. or because the IPCC says so…” That, along with arguments of abuse, or attack the man and not the message – “Yeah but that scientists is a crack pot…” Well if a crack pot is looking at a black car, and tells the world its black.. the car is black no matter who you look at it.

                Both these forms of argument are the most commonly used forms that the masses turn to, because they require no effort or critical thought. They are easy.

                Next time someone has a go at you, have a look and see if they revert to these styles of argument..

                But sometimes you get someone that does actually refer to various scientific findings – I like those people because at least they are up for some debate.. real debate.. unfortunately to date none of them have been able to point to data that isn’t altered or cherry picked or just plain wrong like Mann’s Hockey Stick.

          2. Thank you for the answers. I Hope people would ask more spesific questions instead of starting a fight… which doesn´t help anyone.

            Especially the PDF was great. I didn´t read the whole text but introduction and conclusion tells a lot. And the preferences… theres a lot of them.

            Thank you, finally something that could be considered VALID information! 🙂

  4. “England, the US, Europe, Australia, Japan all have one thing in common.. they have mostly got their act together in respect to pollution control and human rights, unlike china.

    it is indeed true the abovementioned countries got their act together and cleaned up, but that brooks the question, when did they start to clean up? Europe and the US started to do so only in the 20th century, after hundreds of years of industrial activities that started it all. during that time when the state of the environment wasn’t even a factor, these countries proceeded at breakneck speed with their factories and the like, enriching themselves, while polluting the environment. China only started to industrialize in the middle of the 20th century. To impose hurdles on a country at the get go is indeed unfair after your own country have had a sustained period in developing their own economy. There must be a balance between finding a cure for the environment and compensating countries that started off late. it is not fair to just say that they “did not clean up”.

    “Government intervention had nothing to do with these advances.. .it was CAPITALISM… the need to survive..”

    indeed capitalism has always been closely linked with technological advances, but unchecked capitalism spells trouble not only for those who slip through the cracks of such a society but also the environment. Green parties are not merely boondoggles used to cause trouble, but they are a legitimate source of a form of check and balance against fully capitalistic countries. one can see green parties are usually in a coalition in government, and nothing more. this is essential in a system of unbridled competition and should not be seen as the cause of the problem.

    1. Dear wai,
      Do you see any American or say Norwegian children in those pictures? It is easy to babble about how capitalist west has done its thing in the previous century and now just wants to hinder us glorious 3rd worlders from catching up with them. But will all that talk help those poor people suffer a bit less?

      Maybe we should stop for a moment. Maybe having a freer, more humane society is much more important than all those numbers and statistics demonstrating our nation’s so-called “might”.

      And the irony is while 3rd world leaders accuse west of numerous crimes and conspiracies against them, they secretly like the way world is. If consumerist west and the U.S at the top of that, stop consuming who would buy all those trash China is producing? And then how would those dictators and despots in the whole 3rd world would answer to their people? For example, what Arabs are going to do with their oil if consumerist evil west does not want it? They’ll be forced to go back to riding camels in the desert. Of course, China has done better by choosing true industrialization. But still we need to truly understand and believe that all our decisions should not compromise human lives and well being. That is what most of 3rd world countries (including China) miss so much in decision making process.

      P.S : I am from a developing country myself. I believe we can find ways to improve our situation without hungrily chasing to be like a “western power” and a very bad one at that.

    2. The only thing in Europe and USA , peoples hiden everything , you can see the same polution , rivers in England is the most polutions river in the world, you guys has to open your mind and see what hapen in your faces….

      1. If there are humans, there will always be some pollution. It has been minimized in these countries, and yes there more to go….

        What would you rather? Exterminate the human race in the name of the planet?

    3. Wai.. you missed the point entirely.

      In respect to green parties, yes we need them – where did say we didn’t?

      I actually said that environmentalists were the problem. Green parties are political organizations that leverage of the loud minorities…. Which is fine..

      Just so I can understand, how does this apply to the Chinese Communist Government? There system doesn’t allow other political parties….

      Go read up on the Hybrid Car.. the car developed to save the planet and lobbied for so hard by the green groups.. please… see if you can find out what size foot print that car has… and then go check out fluorescent globes.. see how safe for our environment they are. And finally, if you can be bothered, go research what human and carbon cost of ethanol is globally.

      Then try and tell me that environmentalists are our saviors.

      1. Well read more than a bit, hybrid cars aren´t actually as good as they are told to be by the manufacturers. And no matter how hard green groups lobby for it. Actually hybrid cars pollute more than other cars if you look at the big picture.

        If you would define consumption with a wider range, you´d notice Hybrids just aren´t good enough, yet. If you add the car´s energy consumption, manufacturing and research and development costs, some normal cars are still far ahead. Their added consumption is much lower.

        The car itself may produce less emissions but it isn´t as durable. Parts go more easily broken than in normal cars for example. So you need to buy new ones more often. Producing the car causes a lot more emission than producing a “normal” car. Parts are being done in different parts of the globe, flewn from several different locations to the factories. It goes the same way with normal cars too, but making a hybrid requires more special expertise so it is quite difficult to manufacture the parts SO you actually pollute before you get behind the wheel. That ofcourse goes to all cars, but specially to hybrids.

        The development is ofcourse still making baby steps. Parts and the car itself will be more durable in the future. And if manufacturing would be more concentrated to certain areas would it decrease the emissions too.

        This is how things go right now. The idea of hybrid cars is still great but it needs improvements to work as planned.

        1. Robinhood THANK YOU!!!

          If more people actually CHECKED the facts – rather than blindly repeating their green hero’s – we’d be much better placed to improve this planet

          YOu have done more than most! You’ve bothered to read what the science ACTUALLY says.

    4. There is a vast difference in that the likes of Coalbrookdale at the heart of the UK industrial revolution were not trying to produce the entire worlds iron and steel requirement, which is the case of China’s steel industry. The localised pollution was evident but the problems were on a much smaller scale meaning that they could be cleaned up at some time in the future. It is difficult to begin to estimate the cost of cleaning up the contamination from the blast furnace fields on the scale of China’s. The chemical refining techniques used today are also far more polluting (If managed ineffectively) than 200 years ago. China are responsible, but 150 years ago it is arguable that the West’s development was coupled with an ignorance of the actual levels, and affects of the pollution being created, what is China’s excuse???

  5. You know I am a hardcore enviromentalist and I have to say David Hewison raises some damn good points. No, I don’t think capitalism has done a damn thing for us, that’s human innovation and inguinity which has been around a lot longer than any modern economic system. Capitlalism is merely a way for those with monetary resources to exploit others.

    We have gotten a lot better about harvesting and using oil more effeciently and this has pushed back peak oil, however there is still a finite amount of oil in the crust and this cannot contiune indefinettely. We are stiill usinng more oil in the past as population and infrastructure. We are only a few hundred years into the industrial revolution and it’s foolish to assume it’s a stable way to run things in the long-term.

    David is clearly misinformed about the enviromental movement but he addresses some things that most people tend not too.

    1) Cap and trade won’t work if it’s not applied to China, in fact unless it apllies globally, otherwise pollution will simply be outsourced.
    2) Despite the fact that CO2 is the primary contributor to global warming it is hardly the most dangerous chemical being released into our enviroment and is certainly receiving a disproportionate amount of attention. Compared to the oil, chemical and sewage spills seen here and pointed out by David, it’s minor. The others things are nightmare to clean up and are immediately toxic to living things in the area. C02 must be allowed to build up to ridiculous levels.
    3) Is is perfectly feasible to clean up CO2 emmissions in the atmosphere. This is what plants do everyday and David is right that new growing trees will eat up a LOT of carbon as they grow. Unfortunettely David is wrong about replanting being, now or ever, universal timber industry practice. Many long term corporations will use it but there are just as many who would rather clear-cut and sell the land for other uses, like the slash and burn operations that are still going on in South America. Reducing our CO2 emmissions alone can only slow down global warming yet there is very little attention aimed at ways to clean up the tons of carbon already there. Earth used to be covered under a black cloud before plants evolved, all that carbon got locked away as fossil fuels. Plants put it down there in the first place and plants can put it back.

    Unfortunettely China will argue, somewhat reasonably from it’s point of view, that given how much it produces for other countries, it’s lack of histrorical emmissions as in Western countries, and it’s large population that it’s contributing far less than its “share”. Western consumption of goods fuels China’s emmissions. Americans want cheap goods so China will continue to do our pollutiing and manufacturing for us in exchange for money.

    Also David, regarding the effeciency of ethanol, your logic defeats you, in time the effeciency of ethanol will increase just like our effeciency of oil use increased. Enforcing it’s use now may seem premature but it will encourage the development of those technologies which will make it more practical. In the end it is nessicarily because someday, probably a few hundred years from now, the oil WILL run out and long before that ethanol will be a lot cheaper to produce. Also the carbon in ethanol is coming OUT of the air, essentially we’ll be recycling the carbon already released.

    Bottom line, cap and trade isn’t a solution, it’s stop-gap measure that won’t work at all if implemented partially. The solution is to start growing trees and algae as quickly as possible. Unfortunettely for this solution to work we have to have an industry who’s job is to put carbon back underground and in forests and there isn’t much profit in filling up old salt mines or planting forests. Instead of cap and trade, tax current and historic polluters and use that money to fund this carbon sink. Then have the UN (if it can stop alternating between being a joke and a chessboard for superpowers) levy sanctions against countries that fail to comply.

    Seriously for all the hypocritical bullshit we give Iran over it’s nuclear program the UN could be focusing on something that matters. Of course that’s not gonna happen with USA and China on the security council. USA needs it’s cheap goods and China needs tons of cash. It’s okay to rape and pillage your own land and people, but don’t you dare think about having armaments that would mean the USA or China can’t take you over if they have too.

    1. “Capitlalism is merely a way for those with monetary resources to exploit others.”

      Um, No. Fail on all levels Casey.
      Capitalism is the very driving force that propels the special achievers (and the workers) to do their best.
      Capitalism has saved more lives & living standards by leaps & bounds over any other system in our history.

    2. “Capitlalism is merely a way for those with monetary resources to exploit others.”
      Where did their monetary resources come from anyway? Somebody in the family tree had to work their ass off. I mean, don’t you wish to leave something for your children?

      1. You are sjowing signs of independent thought. Report at once to reeducation camp

          1. Jesus.. what a feeble little mind you must have. How’s the view on envy hill?

            Isn’t it funny how those that have led mediocre lives assume that those that are high achievers must be crooks…

            The divide between us will remain large and continue to grow, until the day comes that you realize this: Start thinking about what YOU Can do… Stop thinking about how you hate those that are better off that you, Start to work smart and hard – with consistency.. only then will you begin to reap the rewards.. unless you live in a socialist state.. then no matter how hard you work it will make no difference.

    3. Casey,

      Fantastic post.. It might surprise that I am also an environmentalist. However, our views on dealing with it are different.

      Capitalism is a financial system, when coupled with an elected democratic government it has been shown throughout history to be the single most important driver of prosperity.

      The chinese are rapidly growing wealthier, they will, sooner rather than later have the power and the means to induce change in their country. IN the past, as peasants they had no hope at all. The more china embraces capitalism, the more its citizens will prosper.. they will create more business, more opportunities and eventually the government will be more and more reliant on their support.. only then will the government given for the people, and not for themselves.

      Take the US as an example.. a pathetic two party system with non compulsory voting. You have two choices! and the only ones that actually vote in the US are, the power brokers (often funding the positions, the lobbyists and the middle class. It doesnt take much to work out who the government governs for. Look at their polices – they are highly targeted at those groups that vote. And blatantly ignore those groups that don’t.. a trip to the US shows stark evidence of that everywhere.

      IN the UK and Australia (canada as well???) it uis compulsory to vote, there are more than two parties, there are independents as well. The Government must given for all from teh top to the bottom as they are forced to by this system. Hence the inherent fairness this offers.

      Having said that no system is perfect. No policy will please everyone.

      In reference to cap and trade, your right, it simply outsources to non regulated countries… to go alone will actually increase emission levels, not decrease them.

      You commented that Co2 is the primary driver of Global warming.. can you please reference to research that shows that… I’ve been studying this subject for 10 years.. back then I supported the theory of mans emissions driving climate. Through my own research I have had no choice but to change my mind for the following reasons:

      1. Climate Model Predictions – All have been wrong.
      2. Primary argument for AGW – Co2 drives temperature – this is false, we now know that it is the reverse. Temperature drives Co2 with an 800 year lag.
      2. The Greenhouse Signature is missing – According to all the IPCC models there should be a hot spot 10km up from the tropics. Its not there.
      3. According to Satellite temperate records we are not experience a rapid warming – whilst the ground based temperature sensors do show this, no one considered the heat island effect when interpreting this data.
      4. Adding twice the CO2 doesn’t make twice the difference. The first CO2 molecules matter a lot, but extra ones have less and less effect. In fact, carbon levels were ten times as high in the past but the world still slipped into an ice-age. Carbon today is a minor player.
      5. the planet started cooling again, perfectly in line with its 30 year cycles. On a longer time scale, yes it is warming from the little ice age following the middle ages, but that is to be expected and has nothing to do with our Co2 emissions.
      6. NOwhere can i find any empirical evidence that points to human emissions driving climate.. it doesn’t exist. Scientists are on the record stating that Co2 is being blames because they cant find a more feasible explanation.
      7. If someone tells me the debate is over, I get suspicious. What re they hiding? If some one tells me the consensus is that we are to blame, yet documentary evidence shows different.. again i get suspicious. In fact there are more scientists that are skeptics that those that are not. The ones that arent mostly rely on grants linked to global warming to survive. AGain – loads of evidence supporting that too.

      And one thing that really annoys me is all those that scream examples of global warming occurring.. people,, proving that climate change exists DOES NOT prove its cause! It only proves its existence.. AGW and climate change are different things.

      The fact is that we don’t know what is driving our climate. Why we would spend all our resources on one solution without knowing if it is the cause is just stupid.

      There is only one way to adapt to climate change, and that is to have strong economies were we are able to research and build infrastructure to cope. We we can develop new technologies to enable us to continue to prosper regardless of the climate. The earth doesn’t care, she’s been covered in laver, covered in ice and everything in between for 4 billions years.. its humanity that cares and right now we are destroying the very thing we can use to survive climate change.. commerce.

      Peak oil is a huge problem and a very real one, I totally agree. Fighting climate change is not finding a solution to peak oil.

      And all the time we focus on Co2 – which isnt carbon by the way. We let the real environmental problems get worse!

      There is no money to be made cleaning this planet up. There is billions to be made by taxing the air though. In taxes, and green technology as ineffective as it is, its profitable.

      Finally, nest time you hear how a new green job has been created, spare a thought for the 5 jobs its replaced. NOt something you will hear a politician admit.

      Casey, it seems we differ on detail but in the end we are on the same track.

      Nice to see someone who can offer a decent argument.

      1. Eh its late here, all those types. Anywhere the word given appears, replace it with govern. It might make a bit more sense! 🙂

      2. How telling this is.. not a single reply.. So easy it is to blame it pon consumerism or.. hating the west.. or Co2 is to blame!!

        Before this post all of you (bar a couple) abused me.. like mindless dogs.

        So I come back with specifics, references to research and papers.. and your response? Nothing…

        Too easy.

  6. I don’t have anything smart to say, but wow, Industrial China looks like a mad max movie. There must be millions of people suffering there. I guess it beats rural life. Chemicals and cancer everywhere. In my Canadian city of Sault Ste. Marie, I can drive 10 minutes one way and overlook the beautiful, pristine Lake Superior and 10 minutes the other way I could take dramatic pictures of the effluent flowing out Essar Algoma Steel in the St. Mary’s River and Lake Huron. Maybe I could capture heart braking images of the cancer victims of Sault Ste. Marie’s West End. Maybe that might move people, probably not. Were too focused on capital wealth and not on genuine wealth. What is the true cost of a clean, healthy environment?

  7. Everything comes with a price. If you want to produce at a low cost, you have to cut corners. If China is to implement high environmental standards and enforce them, it can no longer produce cheap goods and grow so rapidly. The high cost added to production will be paid by the consumers. How many consumers can afford the high prices.

    China is a one-party controlled government with a fast-growing economic development in capitalism. Its political idealogy is not the cause of these problems .

    The problem is that China is embracing the wealth of its rapid development but it is not enbracing environmental regulations equally. It needs to slow down its current unhealthy, rapid economic development and step up its environmental regulations. Any further economic development must be integrated into its environmental protection plan.

    The people must be educated about the dangers of the pollution as well as the significance of preserving a healthy environment. The government needs to enforce strict rules and utilize its people.

    1. “second” Great Leap Foward!
      1- CO2 is not a pollutant!
      2- eventually china will have to take care of its environment!
      3- The advanced countries especially america need to help on the balancing of the world’s trades and stop protecting their economy and their poors (they are not poors and hate socialism, but love to get welfare from the government)

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  9. As awful as these pictures are, China has debatable done more than a lot of people realise in terms of environment protection. It was Chinese businessmen back the 80s that began to export waste cardboard from the West coast of America because the US didn’t know what to do with it all. The person that started this is now one of China’s richest men.

    Another controversial point is the 1 child policy. China’s one child policy prevented the birth of around 400million people. These people all consume resources and release CO2. Preventing these births has surely saved the environment a lot of hardship?

    That point reflects my personal opinion in that I think society is not looking at the bigger picture, population. If you think about it all the environmental problems stem from the Earth’s population. Ever growing. Ever consuming.

    If you want to do something from the environment, don’t have children! Then you can eat all the steak, fly the world and so forth, guilt free!

    1. Gay people may be ‘technically faulted’, but mother nature says that straight people are bad for the environment. Fate has spoken bitches

      1. Typical small minded environmentalist.. embrace eugenics – as long as its other people you cull right? Twit.

    2. The New World Order weenies have population reduction as a top priority. They do it through fomenting endless wars, initiating plagues, chem trails, fluoride in the water and a slew of consumer products including prescription druds, exporting jobs, financial rape via bailouts of Big Banks, cellphones and Wi-Fi, prescription drugs in the water, Gardisil, vaccines (adjuvants are exquisitely toxic) for flu and childhood diseases, ad infinitum. Their goal is to reduce world population to 500 million and keep it there. So, about 6 billion “useless eaters” are to be eliminated. Obama’s science czar is an advocate of this plan, but so are many others in top leadership positions.

      1. Your probably right Deenie, but Flouride? WiFi??? YOu need to relax a little…

        If eugenics is to return it will take the form of destabilizing regulation in the name of Carbon Emissions control.. The best way to control a population is to strip them of their wealth..

  10. Wow, poor people in China. Really the government really has to something about this this is batshit insane. China is expanding so crazy fast but really is this the way? I’d reather have smaller growth then a constantly poisoned land. So chinese governement plz do something about it or else you will have less and less people. Some will emigrate to places where it is not polluted and many more will die a horrible death! try and do something about it and you will be forever remembered as a savior or would you rather be remembered as the one who kept polluting

      1. I cant agree completely, i dont agree with communism but a pure capitalist society isnt gonna change that problem in china.. government intervention by regulation of industrial pollution standards as well as even energy production standards can help solve the problem. This however must be done in a unified, international manner, strict standards in developed countries and the absence of those same standards in developing countries would (and does) off shore production of the products that developed countries are consuming themselves.


    1. I salute to this photographer. He has the courage to post these pictures to let China and the rest of world to become aware of the devastation that is caused by this economic growth. A lot of Chineses probably do not know just how bad their pollution is. I hope to see more people like him to take charge of the industries and government.

      People need to appreciate their environment and preserve it. Especially the Chineses.

    1. You’d better being ironic about it…

      The guy’s a complete moron and has no point or logic to his arguments whatsoever…

      If anything, please don’t spread the stupidity…

      1. Another John Doe, Whether I’m a moron or not isnt the issue, the issue is that my post does have a very clear point and it is based in logic.

        Explain to us why you think it isnt.

        I doubt you have the ability.

        1. Another JOhn Doe:

          “You’d better being ironic about it…” I see you have a good hold on grammar.

    2. Thanks, but what I’ve said isn’t the whole story nor the whole solution. I do know this however, if you life a population out of poverty, the population will demand better standards and have the power, intellect and wherewithal to achieve this.

      The phrase “this does not compute” would apply to most here. They would prefer us to boycott the chinese until they clean up their act… how they think that cutting their income, therefor their ability to embrace change woudl achieve this is amazing.. however, their fantasy ideals have never stopped them in the past.. the USSR, after-all happened.. until its people realised that reality was somewhat different to their ideological dreams.

      Lala land is a nice thought.. in practice it is the most effective way to give way to misery.

  12. When I lived in the United States I saw many US companies building factories in China. They transferred all their production to China so the United States will be free and clean while buying products that cost just a fraction of what they would cost in case they were produced in the US. I purchased products MADE IN CHINA every day. Everyhting in the US is made in China. I feel bad when I think that “I” have sponsored all this suffering. You and I are sponsors of all the sufferings on those pictures!

  13. Wow,,, it’a amazing how people are supid.

    Ok,, communism and stuff.. but only to remember… all major companies have the most profitable industries in china. And none of them are willing to improve human rights there. And improving human rights enviromental rights become more effective.

    BUT neither the companies or the citizens of countries like australia, USA, europe, Japan want them. It would rise astronomically the price of the products comsumed there… and even worse… dropping the profit of the 1st world contruies… decreasing a lot the living quality on those countries.

    So.. it’s all just hipocrisy. No one wants to help the world. They just wnat to live well with good banking account and hi´-end tech stuff in their houses.

  14. Uma vergonha isso!! o ser humano é um virus.. destroi sem piedade a sua propria casa!!e o pior é que todos fazem parte de um sistema, e nao temos o poder de mudar algumas coisas, isso é muito triste. o mundo esta morrendo na nossa frente

  15. this is probably one of the strongest photo essays i have ever seen. it is very sad. the entire world is guilty here – and even more so if we don’t do something about this now that it open for public viewing and discussion.

  16. In our country it will be same soon!
    The progrss of the country at the cost of above events is not required

  17. Poor Earth and people suffering because of businesses. I’m pretty sure we can live anyway without those products being produced in the factories.

  18. “Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.” Eccl 7:29.

  19. who ever wrote the long story there. stop and think about it tard if people didn’t bitch and complain then the governments would never do anything about it. so shut the hell up and let us worrie about it. just because you don’t think its doing any good doesnt mean its not, it just means you don’t see it.

  20. Hi,
    I’m deeply regretting that i’m one of those consumers of products from China….
    Why is pollution so high, because we need cheaper products(wat ever it matters…. )
    Stopping pollution means that we should consume less…
    Do you know nearly 78% of Chinese products are consumed by USA…
    Then Britain, India occupies 3% of this ill fated products…..

    I say we should not boycott these products but we should demand to buy them at the required prices… and sufficient money should be used to the welfare of the state of China, and the curses of this pollution…. people please I want everyone one of us to actively participate in these anti-pollution and safe China…..


    1. It is highly unlikely that will happen, Daniel. The reason companies outsource their production to China is that it has cheap labor cost, lax regulations, and pollution.

      We could stop outsourcing and bring them back to the US but that mean higher labor cost, tougher environmental standards and less competitive advantages against other companies around the world.

      The Chinese government and the Chinese people must stop tolerate this type of economic development is the key. Unfortunately, money is China’s top priority. If everyone in China is as wealthy as those who live in the US or in other developed countries, they will care much more.

      1. Also no real worker benefits an you can even ignore lax labor or pollution regulations because of guanxi or bribes to correct people.

        1. Right! All of these are happening in China because of its love for money. It needs to be more sensitive about protecting its precious air, water and land by maintaining a healthy economic growth around its environment and its people welfare.

      2. HT – exactly. When the people are finally empowered, which will only come through increased wealth from production, they will have a tighter grip on government.

        Right now its the other way round.

        It will change, but not under the current regime.

  21. Hewison must have deluded himself into thinking he’s got something meaningful to say. Message to boy Hewison: Please find yourself something to do or go somewhere to get an education. China has horrible pollution and we should all be concerned about it. It affects our resources, and you should be concerned about your brothers and sisters on this planet.

    1. YOu Tit Lance. I am. BUt im also a realist.

      Wishing something to happen will not make it so.

      Identifying the real issue and understanding its implications is the way to deal with this.

      Lets look at some scenarios:

      1. The globe boycotts all products made in China. It will never happen, but lets look at what would happen.

      a) We in the western world feel good about ourselves because we are doing the humanitarian thing.
      b) The workers in china employed by these factories are out of work. They cant find new work because we have boycotted all production there, so mass unemployment.
      c) There is no welfare system in china and most of the population already lives well under the poverty line by chinese standards (which is lower than living on the streets by ours)
      d) Crime rapidly increases
      e) Disorder, disease and starvation takes its grip…

      China relies on the western world’s capitalism. Untill her population has risen to a point where it is self sustaining, this must continue – or she will fall into anarchy.

      What about the Western Companies who products have now been boycotted? Consider the mass unemployment that would cause in our societies? Welfare costs skyrocket, someone has to pay.. Governments will always pass it on to you through higher taxes.. which leads to lower productivity, which leads to inflation, rising interest rates which then leads to more unemployment…

      Lance, gronks like you find it easy to talk about “Doing something” You never consider the implications of what DOing something might cause.. As with most idiots like you, your solutions cause bigger problems than they were designed to fix.

      Right now China has two classes. The elites and the peasants. Peasants will never be able to make change. The country needs a middle class..

      The solution is, I think, to continue to support china’s economy, continue to place pressures on her to improve her standards and watch her economy grow. Watch her population slowly grow wealthy and there by more independent… ONly then will the people have the power to influence government such that the government will be forced to govern properly.

      This is a government that commits genocide.. they can only do that with a weak population.. your solution would only make her weaker.

      As usual, people like you with your “humanitarian” solutions would only cause more suffering.

      I doubt you’d have the foresight to see that.

  22. What about western factories?They dont pollute so much anymore and products could be produced same way in china if the western capitalist would want to.Its hypocritical to blame chinese.Who has sell them infrastructure to pollute like this?Answer is western companies which does produce much less pollution here in europe and usa.Why dont they sell same cleaner technology and infrastructure to chinese that is in use here in western countries.
    100-150 years ago when industrial revolution began in europe there was not technology or understanding to produce less pollution in factories.Nowadays there is and it should be sell to chinese.But western companies dont want to invest on nature protection,green technology or human rights in china.All they want is big profits and cheap products and someone to do the “dirty job” which in this case is china and all other cheap labor countries.Its the western companies that does not care about human rights in china or india or in other cheap labor counries.They are to blame.There would be another way,but its not possible in capitalism which is btw work of demon.In capitalism greediness is god and god is greed.And we consumers here in europe and USA are part of this demonic political system.Its our choice what we want to buy.If we care about human rights and nature we dont buy products that are produced unethically like this.Stop consuming like a madman and practice what you preach and there is a hope

    1. Easy now… Nobody is BLAMING the Chinese. We’re showing pictures of pollution.

      It also shows the burden that we, the West, put on the world by working with governments that exploit people and the planet like this.

      We ALL have to take responsibility. Everyone that profits from this, which includes almost everyone in the west, but also some shady people in China.

    2. If no western companies were in China I still believe Chinese companies would still be doing this. I’m willing to bet it wasn’t different when China was really communist

      1. It’s typical that would be your response. China is responsible for the pollution. Period. Doesn;t matter who made the technology or the infrastucture.

        China is too cheap to invest in proper technology to create cleaner waste. Accept your responsibility. Not everything is the fault of the west and Europe.

        1. What a stupid discussion here. Everybody is blaming the chinese but
          who are they producing for: The USA and his Wallmartminded inhabitabts
          The state of our world is mostly the result of mindless buying and spending of the american people.

          Thanks! after the economiccrisis you give us a new and bigger challenge.

          Before you blame others just look at your own behavior.

  23. what do you expect? everyone wants a high wage and purchase cheap goods. the only way to have this is with countries that are willing to not give a flying fcuk about anything other then making money with volume. their gov’t believe people are replaceable and the environment is large enough to handle this for a century or so. (by then they all will be dead anyways).

  24. There is no doubt in my mind that our planet is doomed. The ever increasing cloud of toxic gases and chemical fumes now prevails over the Middle East, over India (feeding greedily from its industrial boom), then moves with prevailing winds over China (attracting significantly increased industrial pollution commensurate with the booming economy), to eventually reach Canada and North America, crosses over the Atlantic, and then pervades over Europe. In the latter, further industrial toxic emissions contribute to deepening the ever present toxic cloud.
    The cycle then repeats ad infinitum.
    A frightful toxic brown cloud “girdles” the Northern Hemisphere.
    World leaders are unable to agree on a solution to this massive problem. The forthcoming Coperhagen Conference is not likely to succeed, nor are any future Conferences.
    Put simply the world is overpopulated with the present six billion people. The planet will be unable to sustain the projected increase of three additional billion by 2050? Nine billion inhabitants on our planet are too many.
    Conclusion: humanity and the planet is doomed within a precious few decades.

    1. why are you covering for these people? stop blaming yourself and future selves for destroying our world. It is not thee many of us defacating and vomiting all over our lover/mother, it is thee few. Those who own war corp. and keep us hating ourselves and each other so we fight to thee death for a living dream sold to us by us. Paid for by the sweat of our brow and thee blood of our own families and sacrifices. Don’t let them lie to us anymore huwomanity and their lovely lover/mother are not doomed for us, by us, precious relationships such as this are worth more to us

      1. Can someone tell me what Genesis just said please?

        Also perhaps someone needs to tell him that we stopped using ‘thee’ about 700 years ago.

        1. Just do ourselves truly and sincerely, treat others like we do…
          No blame…Because it cannot do any help to all of these…Think about
          what to do after you see these pics, how to let all the people
          around the world be aware of this serious thing and take measures
          even just a little help…
          Stop those idle work…Move !!!

      2. How can you say that we are not responsible? We (the US) are the ones who send our labor to Asia. do you honestly think that we don’t influence how the Chinese corporations and the Chinese government regulates how their factories are run? If they have enough time and effort to make sure that people don’t have more than two children i think they have the resources to enforce better environmental and industry policies. The problem is that the rest of the world has given them incentive not to. I’m not saying that we are the only ones to blame. I’m saying that we have not only allowed but fostered an atmosphere where this type of policy gets the greatest benefit(In the short term) for those running the show. look to your elected officials here in the states and your CEO’s for an answer to this one, because simply cutting down on consumerism will not solve this problem. people need to become mobilized in mass numbers to win this fight.

        1. Grow up, the people running these factories don’t care about their workers, and we didn’t make them operate this way. They chose to to make more money at the expense of the workers. Where’s China’s government in all this? Lining their own pockets, probably. They don’t live near these, so they don’t care either.

    2. When people say that the world is over populated, need to give their head a shake. Every person in the world could have a quarter acre of land, and not fill Australia, so don’t believe the propaganda.
      The problem is Corporations who’s only mission is profit, and the governments who are in league with big business. Total disregard to our enviroment. Make corporations bottom line be responsible to the eviroment, as well as sustainable profit, and there would be a fundemental shift in the way we do business. Don’t blame China, or India. Blame yourselves, because you buy their goods. Take the splinter out of your own eye, before you point fingers.

    3. I didn’t think its possible, but the comments here are getting worse and worse – does anyone use their brain at all these days? Or are emotive reactive attacks the latest craze?

      CAPT. David Hayward (Rtd), Given your a retired Captain (Military I presume) it would be natural to think that you might be a fair and balanced person – educated even… Your post however tells me something very different.

      All these opinions and really only 2 or 3 people that actually seem to know what they are talking about.. out of 900 odd posts.. As much as i Love democracy – It can be held to ransom by the stupid masses at times, (like now – CLimate CHange) which presents an excellent argument for communism. At least Democracy has a chance of redeeming itself, communism has none.

      So Captain, you refer to a looming black cloud of evil :”A frightful toxic brown cloud “girdles” the Northern Hemisphere.” and in the next sentence you comment on the Copenhagen (COP15) meeting next month. So I’m going to make an assumption here on that basis. I’m assuming that you are under the impression that the “Carbon” emissions reduction plans as outlined at copenhagen is intended to reduce or eliminate such things from the planet. If you do not think that Carbon Legislation is designed to minimize such brown toxic clouds, then I apologies.

      I am surprised at the level of ignorance you demonstrate. I find iut difficult to believe that you cannot or, do not distinguish the difference between Co2 and Particulate matter – the first being a gas – the second happens to be.. matter or pollution.

      I know most people blindly accept what they are told, the IPCC cleverly refer to Co2 as Carbon, so it stands to reason that most in the public are misinformed about this and other matters relating to the subject – however, an ex military captain, presumably educated, well trained in warfare along with tactics and I’m sure, at least some exposure to the most basic, grade 3 chemistry… which is – Carbon is NOT Co2. Co2, is Carbon Dioxide.

      Co2 is a chemical compound composed of two oxygen atoms covalently bonded to a single carbon atom. Co2 is also colourless and odourless (unless in pure form where it has an acidic smell to it).

      I repeat – Co2 is colourless and odourless.

      Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth’s crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. It is present in all known lifeforms, and in the human body carbon is the second most abundant element by mass (about 18.5%) after oxygen. This abundance, together with the unique diversity of organic compounds and their unusual polymer-forming ability at the temperatures commonly encountered on Earth, make this element the chemical basis of all known life.

      As you can see, Carbon and Life kind of go together.

      Plants absorb Co2 to survive – and we breath it out. Every time you take in a breath of air, you exhale Co2! If you fart – then I’m afraid you pump it out your backside too. But you don’t need to be afraid (although if you buy into the IPCC’s alarmist propaganda, you probably thrive on fear) the methane (Also a greenhouse gas) that is farted into the atmosphere by humans, dwarfs our Co2 emissions from burning fossil fuels – and thats not including all the other species on Earth!

      This might be a good time to make another assumption regarding your level of knowledge on the subject – are you aware that only 0.117% of the greenhouse effect is due to atmospheric CO2 from human activity? (Source:

      Grinding our economy to a halt, driving millions into poverty and winding the clock back 70 years to bring our emissions to pre 1990 levels, even if it removed ALL man’s emissions, it would make no difference. It would only make us poor and hungry. You see, we are a planet of 7 billion humans.. 70 years ago our energy requirements were MUCH lower.. if we had the same population now we might survive.. but you cant shut down industry with current population levels (unless you kill lots of people), it just wouldn’t work.. We do not have the technology to support us yet, out side of fossil fuels.

      The brown toxic cloud you are seeing is Air Pollution. Air pollution is the introduction of chemicals, particulate matter, or biological materials into the atmosphere which causes harm or discomfort to humans and other living organisms, it also damages the natural environment. These include:

      -Sulphur Oxides
      -Nitrogen Oxides
      -Carbon Monoxide
      -Volatile ORganic Compounds
      -Particulate matter – Particulate matter (PM) or fine particles, are tiny particles of solid or liquid suspended in a gas.
      -Toxic metals, such as lead, cadmium and copper.
      -Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)
      -Radio Active Pollutants and,
      -Carbon dioxide (CO2) – a greenhouse gas emitted from combustion but is also a gas vital to living organisms. It is a natural gas in the atmosphere.

      The Copenhagen meeting exists to set up a framework by which the developed world cuts their Co2 levels – NOT Carbon or Pollution – to below 1990 levels.

      If they achieve this, we will wind the clock backwards 70 years, destroy our economies, significantly amplify poverty, starvation, disease and as a result irreversibly damage the planet and the human population.

      It DOES NOT do anything whatsoever to reduce pollution – Yes, Co2 and that brown toxic cloud you speak so highly of are totally unrelated.. in the same way that soy sauce and a cheese sandwiches are.

      It might make you feel fuzzy to cap emissions, but if you have the capacity to see past your own idiocy – the consequences of such lunacy will be catastrophic to living people… which actually brings me to my next point…

      I expect, given this treaty will cause more pain, suffering and death than anything before it – you would probably be in support of it given your blatant reference to Eugenics.

      TO think that you believe that we cannot sustain our population – that attitude puts you on the same level to that of certain scholars in 1790 warning we couldn’t sustain 2 billion. Or the so called scientists that said it was physically impossible to fly or to travel faster than 15 miles per hour. Try to use your imagination and grasp the concept that we are still an evolving species.. its only been 100 years since we industrialized.. we have been around for millions and millions of years before that. Luckily, most people have moved on from 1790 and understand that whilst we know a lot, there’s a lot more we don’t know but, we are learning at an exponential rate. Take human progress in the last 10 years.. we will repeat that in the next 3 years, and again double it 12 months after that… The possibilities in 50 years are hard to imagine.. in this decade alone we have seen more progress that the previous 90 years!

      This period of industrialization is simply the beginning of a new age for us – in another 200 years. If we time traveled to the future, the landscape would be entirely different.

      As a side note – as a captain in the military, with all those pesky enemies that need killing and blowing up… did you spare a thought as to why you were ordered to go to war (whether you personally did or not is not important – your military has been to war). I wonder also – did you ever take a stand regarding the Co2 emissions of your machinery and the explosions from your bombs? I somehow doubt that you ever spared any thoughts at all to those you were killing – after all one more dead is one less person who pollutes.

      I do want to offer my apologies to you though. For I bring news that brings an ache to my heart as I know how important your green faith is to you and millions of other feeble minded parishioners of the Church Of Al Gore, The All mighty Gorecal of the Earth and all those in it (Al Gore takes all major credit cards so you can confidently redeem your sins by planting a tree – or funding Gore’s power bill).

      This would be a good time to remind you that skeptics, unlike believers, refer to Observational Data of the real world to confirm or debunk theories. Actually, science is the art of seeking the truth by forming theories which can then be measured against observational data. If the data does not match the theory it is considered to be false or at least flawed. It does not falsify the data to fit the theory (IPCC Method), it alters the theory to explain the data (Age old foundation of science).

      Now, on the data, the observed data, it is now crystal clear that the earths temperature is not being driven by greenhouse gasses. We can say this because Dr Richard Linzden, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences – MIT has recently released a PEER Reviewed paper based on research he has conducted over the last 20 years using satellites that measure escaping radiation (infrared) from the earths atmosphere.

      There are two phenomenon that absolutely must happen if Greenhouse gasses are to blame. There is no ‘if, buts or maybes”, without these two measurable byproducts, we can confidently, nay, absolutely say the greenhouse is not to blame and by way of that we infer Co2 is not the driver we are told it is. THis is so black and white we could say that to move from point a to point b in space – one must first leave point a. No matter how you look at it, there’s no way around it, point a must first be vacated to make way for point b. Such as it is for the Greenhouse effect.

      If greenhouse gasses are causing us to warm there must:

      1. Be a measurable decrease in Infrared Radiation escaping our atmosphere, and
      2. Be a measurable hot spot over the equator in our troposphere.. This is known as a signature.. in science, signatures refer to unique patters that can only be caused by a specific trigger – we can look to space, and measure the stars temperature by their colour signatures… If the greenouse effect is causing us to warm the there simply MUST be a signature.

      Without these two key measurements, there is no argument to support the theory that man is heating us all to hell.

      Dr Linzden, from his 20 years of observational research, finds that there has been no change in escaping radiation levels from the earths atmosphere. Absolutely NO Change.

      Additionally, there is no tell tale signature above the equator…

      These two discoveries alone debunk your religion.. and if the world had not gone insane this last decade, it should listen and divert all those waisted billions to projects that will actually make a difference to humanity, like for instance, reducing the Brown Toxic Cloud you love.

      But as they say, never let scientific fact get in the way of a highly profitable scare campaign.

      Oh and before you scream out ” but but but there’s a consensus of 4000 IPCC scientists.. ehem.. if you remove the duplicates, take into account that one reviewer might review 8 papers (the IPCC would count that 1 reviewer as 8 different people.), then remove any reviewers that are not actually scientists and finally collate the different ways the IPCC spells the reviews name… (Joe smith is counted as one, Smith, Joe is counted as one too.. same person, different name format 1 man in the real world – 2 in the IPCC world)….. then we are only left with 50 scientists that support the theory, ALL of which directly benefit financially by Climate regulation. The rest are mostly skeptics or have not provided an opinion of the whole – just of the section they reviewed. They are the minority however.

      The reality is, a minority of self interested individuals peddle this rubbish – most will peddle it for it makes them rich, or at least it will certainly make them poor if they do not.

      I can back up every claim I’ve made with references to peer reviewed research mostly from lead reviewers (Relevant Scientists) of the IPCC’s 4th Assessment summary… I will provide them if you want me to.

  25. JH, Just because you live in America does not mean there are “cleaner” disposals of waste happening here. There is just as much if not more. The difference is those is the US have the money to either chemically clean the mess or oay officials off to pretend like it does not happen, Money and government play huge roles. Pollution and destruction of nature is happening all over the world. Do not be so naive to assume this is not happening where you live. Because you do not hear about or read about it does not mean it is not happening.

  26. Excellent images – totally unrealted to the reality of the scenes though.. And interesting that these are plucked from the W. Eugene Smith memorial ceremony. Eugene was a master of image manipulation, compositing images for dramatic effect..

    These are SO dramatically enhanced to evoke an emotional response, I see that they’ve clearly worked – for the unaltered images would be quite mundane and hardly any commenter here would spend any time at all looking them over. Nice work, love the pictures..

    But reality? no. not a shred.

    1. These pics are not enhanced, i’ve been to china..Shanghai namely and the place is like a scene from Dante’s inferno.

      wonder if the “eco-nazi’s” will be up in arms over this. Remember, China was to be excluded from Kyoto also.

    2. I’m currently a westerner living in Wuhan, in China and the pollution is disgusting. When driving across the bridge that goes over the Yangtze river if you look to your left or right you can see as far as maybe 500m to 1km until it’s just white… Everyone is walking round in a cloud… Everyone seems to have bronchitus aswell, walking round spitting up blobs of flem everywhere you go.

      Beggars with deformed legs, feet and hands are not uncommon. Just yesterday I saw a young boy lying face down on the floor with a message written in chalk in front of him with all his hands and feet deformed.

      It is a reality…

  27. it”s speechless thing’s happening here , c”mon how can they do that , i mean look at the atmosphere it”s totally polluted , china people they don”t have sustainbale future there china must start care about climate change , global warming or it”s end of mankind .

    1. Until humanity doesn’t get up from it’s arse as a whole, and fucks over the people who do this (usually white males – that’s right, it’s not chinese who use the products manufactured in these plants), this won’t change.
      sad but true

      1. White males? Oh boy, this almost takes the prize for all time stupidity… and with this sort of stupidity there is no recourse as you too thick to get it.

        As someone how is totally against communism, population control and thought police – you give good reason to implement such measures… the world needs less of people like you.

        If you grew a brain, and considered the consequences of your ideas (if thats what you call them) you’d know the “dream’ of communism which is in itself an ideal based on good – the outcome of Communism is always disastrous.. look at China.

        A trait that those on the left seem to share is the creation of misery in the name of fairness. Your leaders sell you human rights while giving you the opposite, and you buy human rights while being too stupid to see the reality.

        Sadam hussan – not white male
        Pol Pot – not white male
        Hitler.. ok he was white..
        gadaffi – not white..

        we had our share, but thats the point.. our share.. we surely don’t own evil. No race does.. but ideologies certainly own evil.. communism is a prime example.

  28. These pictures are indeed sad, but I agree that this stuff happens in America too. It is well hidden and companies are usually dissolved by the time they are caught if ever. I have heard so many stories over the years that it just makes you sick. For example a friend of mind said that his father was hired many times to dispose of 55 gallon barrels of chemical waste. They were told not to open the barrels and not to talk speak about it if they wanted more work. He said they drove around until they found woods and would dig holes and bury the barrels. I’ve also heard of Semi-truck drivers who would be hired to do the same. They would park out in the woods in the middle of the night and would drain their trucks on the side of the streets where people live or next to a river. Until we can teach our children to care more about the world than more about the money, we will always have this stuff happening. And we wonder why cancer is on the rise.

  29. Fucking China-Chinks. They have no rights to advance themselves technologically, because they will just pollute the atmosphere in the process. Only White Crackers’ society have the rights to do so. Only White Crackers can advance themselves technologically and pollute the atmosphere in the process, like they have been doing so since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution !!!

  30. All this pollution and China still can not produce a product of high precision, something that Germany does so well.

    1. Yea. Guess how much more Germany charges for this so called “high precision”. All this “high precision” yet Germany can’t make the electrical systems in their cars right to save their lives.

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  32. Holy crap, people, stop fighting. This is why nothing gets done. You all want to be HUMAN and blame each other. And no, being human isn’t an excuse, because we have the potential to be better than that.

  33. We should be talking about how to get better about all this. Pictures could be enhanced dramatically but still our thinking should be like what is better? Use electricity instead of fossil fuel? So can’t do that? Technology investment costs are too high? So lower it! Make it available in whole world for gods sake! Save the earth and forget about profit for one case. For the world, cuz this is for all of us, not only China, US, Belgium, Turkey, Brazil, Australia… not even only for humanity but for animals, plants, allthe living that we were able to identify!
    Use the sun, the wind… You ll feel proud, trust me!

    1. You nee to “make” electricity via a generator. Power plant generators typically run on coal, coal burning releases pollution like NOx into our air. So yes lets run everyting on electricity so we can burn more coal.

      “Use the sun, the wind… ”

      not very effective currently

      1. to ?
        you’re very shortsighted on the energy topic. try to educate yourself a little bit more in this field and you will discover that truly renewables are ‘ very effective’ indeed.
        Also, China has (as the US) one of the highest growth rates in wind energy installations. Denmark already generates 30% of its electrical energy by wind turbines.
        Indeed, burning coal is not the way to generate electricity, nor oil or any other fuel you want to dig out of the soil.
        For a proper comparison you should include all the costs (f.i. GHG damage costs, social damage costs (see the pics!repression), costs of maintaining access to oil/gas, etc) of making/distributing electrical energy, not consumer price/kWh alone!
        Be enlighted! Act sustainable. I own some solar panels which are connected to the grid, invested in wind energy farms for more than I consume (which is more profitable than stocks..) and I am client of a 100% renewable energy utility.

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  35. Look, the fact is there is no simple solution. This is China we’re talking about. 1.2 billion people with a government that sees them as a means to an end. Look at their position on the technological path. They’re currently making the same transition that we just got out of, in much the same way that America and Europe did. The only reason we see it on such a large scale is because, as I said they have 1.2 BILLION people. It would be hypocritical for any post-industrialized nations to tell China not to do the same things they did. The only way I see China changing is if it realizes that in this day and age there is more money to be made in green energy.

  36. The Chinese psyche is that all are one.
    If people die or get ill it is like losing a hair or clipping the fingernails of the greater infinite ONE. The value of the individual is 0 and the value of the sum of the people is 100.

  37. Man all the same old looking for people to blame posts.

    There are lots of old photos of polution in the US, here in canada, an Europ that look a lot like this from just as far back as the 90’s, and if you look for them you can still find places like that here.

    Yes we cleaned up, a bit, the ugly stuff anyway, the stuff you can take photos of. Mostly by exporting the industrial activity to India China South America and anywhere else they would do what could not be done anymore here.

    They are responsible for their own industrial standards, but we are also responsible for paying them to do this kind of thing, for making it just about too good to say no to.

    No clean hands anywhere and it’s not about who’s at fault, it’s about smartening the fuck up, and taking responsibility for you’re own peice of the action.

    Don’t buy cheep disposable crap at the drop of a hat.
    Take care of what you got so it lasts and question whether you need things more.
    Consume less and reuse more, not industrial recycling, simple reuse of solid things that you buy with that in mind in the first place [why glass and metal are better than plastic and plastic]

    If we did that sort of stuff as a group, it would reduce the need for quite so much manufacturing by a tenth fold.

    And yeah, we should hold the same standards for all industy, in your back yard or not. But what people do in another nation is not nearly as much your business as what you do in your own. start there and it may never get to the other place.

  38. I am in China now, too dirty here, full of dust. My throat is so painful everyday. What can we do? the government should get down now.

  39. make a virus and sterilize the dumb and weak around 4-5 billion people.take a few generations to kick will save the enviroment and humanity.I honesty can’t see another solutions.lots of longwinded talks with nothing done.China’s natsy but at least they have the balls with a one child policy.

    1. This is a disgusting comment – perhaps we should start with you? If this was to ever happen at all.. you, and some of the bloggers here might be a good starting point though.

  40. create wars and vaccines that will over take people 3o years from now.Conquer and Divide the Roman Way…also the catholic church(jesuits and masons) controlling everything….its a house of cards…USA is a coperation from 1864 and in certain years confirmed this …1913,1953,bilderberg,etc….we are doomed ,like carlin says Now they are comin for your social secuirty money,next your house only to sell it baqck to your kids(if there lucky) …doommed no one sees the thruth of whos in charge…..noone….

  41. China, a country of many people. China, a country of many interests. China, a country a lot of money. China, a country of idiots. China, sold their children to be able to have large plants that can spew crap. I do not think it’s my fault!

  42. This is very sad.

    I will do some projects in my locale to work on pollution reduction where I am.

    I hope for strength in numbers in being part of the change we’d like to see in the world.

    I’m going to do an electricity reduction project with my students. I actually decided this yesterday and spoke to the principal of our school… these photos inspire me to get moving.

    Anyone else up for doing something they don’t already do?

      1. This is a joke right? You don’t actually mean this and I hope you’re being sarcastic.

      2. You chinese are racist communist dogs..who will sell your own children just to make a buck…go hang yourselves you dogs

        1. this is as retarded a comment as one can make. it’s greed which is human nature. it has nothing to do with culture. if anyone’s racist, it’s obviously you.

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